Observed by ilrms on Fri, May 18 2007
I observed this vehicle parked on 86th Street between 1st and 2nd Avenues in Manhattan on three separate occasions (in front of 305-315 East 86th Street ). This is a muni meter block. The first time I observed this vehicle parked without a muni meter receipt on its dashboard, I advised a police officer who was ticketing another vehicle at that location. He identified himself as Officer Reyes of the 19th Precinct. He said it was in his discretion to ticket vehicles and he refused to ticket that vehicle and left on his bicycle with two other officers on bicycles. The second time I observed this vehicle parked without a muni meter receipt occurred tonight at the same location. I advised a NYPD Traffic Officer who was checking muni meter receipts at that location. Officer Feroz, badge number 2212, informed me that "We do not ticket cars with police signs" on their dashboard. I pointed out to him, in the presence of a witness, that the police permit on the dash was from the 75th Precinct located in Brooklyn, that the license plate of the vehicle did not match the permit number, that there is no police precinct located on the block, and that I observed the vehicle illegally parked previously. Officer Feroz walked away. Today, this vehicle was once again parked in front of 305-315 East 86th Street without a muni meter receipt during a time when muni meter receipts are required.
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Posted on Fri, May 18 2007 at 11:05 PM
Remove this post. The permit on the dash is not "Invalid" simply because the plate number doesn't match the car. Maybe the officer's vehicle is being fixed and is using a different one. Furthermore, if the officer works in the 75, he probably has enough stress every shift due to the volume of calls and doesn't need any more from civilians when he is OFF DUTY. Perhaps it's not in the SEZ, but the SEZ for NYPD officers is the entire five boroughs. That's not the official SEZ, but that's the way it works. Also, he is in metered parking and not on a No Standing, hydrant, bus stop, or crosswalk. Give the guy a break.
Posted on Fri, May 18 2007 at 11:38 PM
This post should definitely not be removed. The permit is certainly not valid. As has been covered elsewhere, "SEZs" hold no water, and all personal vehicles must follow the law, unless responding to an emergency. Stress or not, if this were a civilian's vehicle (which may yet be the case, we don't know for certain), they would be ticketed.
Not ticketing these vehicles may be "the way it works" now, but this campaign will continue until "that's the way it USED to work".
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 03:30 AM
Why do people insist on posting pictures and then fabricating absurd tales in which make they make themselves look anything but credible. Excuse me while I punch numerous holes into your cockamamie story:
1. The 19 pct does not have a bike unit.(go tell your mommy this lie)
2. NYPD traffic agents(no such thing as NYPD traffic officers) do not have numbers on their badges.( go tell this lie to your daddy)
3. E 86 street and 1st avenue is well within the S.E.Z of the 19 th precinct.(swallow your pride and try to convince yourself that this car is parked illegally)
Next time you feel like making yourself look foolish with your erratic lies, please try to do some research before you post. Your credibility has officially been "DESTROYED"!
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 04:24 AM
This seems like as good a time as any to bring this up:
Parking infractions, as spelled out by the New York City Traffic Law which governs parking within the city, are violations and not crimes. As such, their enforcement is left entirely up to the discretion of the individual officer. She may choose to ticket or not ticket, every time, as she pleases and feels like using her judgment, barring an order from a superior officer to do so in a specific case.
Using their power of discretion under the law, police officers and traffic control people elect to be extremely charitable in its exercise regarding other law enforcement officers. This use of discretion, while apparently bothersome to people here, is entirely within their purview. There is nothing illegal about it.
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 04:24 AM
This is what I propose: that we take away this discretion. Barring the observation of a more considerable emergency, officers will be bestowed with a clear legal obligation to summons every violation they see, every time. Failure to do so will result in disciplinary action and possible termination for neglect of duty.
This will of course include moving violations. For example, bicyclists who pass red lights will be summonsed, as well as those who cross lanes or turn without using hand signals and who ride the wrong way down any street. In fact, bicyclists are required to follow every single law in the Vehicle and Traffic law, and cops, lacking discretion, would be required to summons them for every violation observed. Bicyclists would not even be able to pass on the right, or ride to a bke rack on the sidewalk, without being ticketed. Come to think of it, this campaign against police discretion is a great idea!
I am looking forward to the day when police officers lose their discretion to summons or not summons, and personal judgment is "how it USED to be." Clearly, this city will be the better for it. I am sure TA agrees.
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 04:30 AM
Cops, some sound advice: Let the folks here complain about meter parking all they want. Don't even respond to it when a photo is posted. I doubt this 75 cop was in the 19th SEZ. But who cares? If TA floods their own site with meter violations they will look ridiculous and their campaign will go nowhere, because really, to tell the truth, nobody in the general public cares that cops sometimes don't feed meters. When they go in front of the City Council demading redress and waving a document with all of these photos, they will be going in front of a group of politicians who haven't put money in a meter since the day they took office. They will come off as petty.
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 06:59 AM
Yes, cops above the law! Lets send these to Mayor Bloomberg, he's money hungry and when he see's all the money he's missing here, he just might do some thing reg. cops above the law!
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 11:05 AM
Why does it say parking spaces still not available in Brooklyn when the address is in Manhatten?
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 11:10 AM
The permit is not invalid. You just have no idea what you are
talking about. The I.C.O. issues each M.O.S. 1 parking permit.
If by chance , you own more than 1 car, you use the same permit for
any car you have. You are allowed to work in the 75 and park in the
19th. This web site is whiny nonsense. Delete this dopey web site
and do something useful.
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 11:33 AM
To all my fellow officers,
Don't worry, i know who this mutt is. Next time I see "this" person, I will surely summons her for whatever i can find. Jaywalking, etc. And I will not use discretion.......cause some of the people on this stupid site thinks discretion equals corruption.
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 11:38 AM
Anonymous #6 and #7, you don't understand the nature of the discretion that police officers have in enforcing the law. #6 says officers "may choose to ticket or not ticket, every time, as she pleases and feels like using her judgment".
"Doing as one pleases" is not the same thing as "using your judgment." Duh. Polices officers are required to use their judgment in exercising their discretion, and that judgment has to be based on sound law enforcement principles. Categorically exempting an entire class of violators (like off-duty NYPD officers) from all enforcement because you like them, or selectively applying a zero tolerance approach to bicyclists because you hate them (as #7 is urging), are both equally unprofessional, corrupt and illegal. You know its true, but here you spending hours on this site making pathetic excuses and empty threats to try to discourage these posts in the hopes holding on to your illegal "perks." Time for some in-service integrity control training.
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 12:04 PM
"Categorically exempting an entire class of violators (like off-duty NYPD officers) from all enforcement because you like them... [is]unprofessional, corrupt and illegal."
Or, alternatively, because you believe that as class of people, police officers are upstanding citizens with respect for the law and the city so you therefore use your professional judgment in summonsing them. Doctors and nurses, as a class of people, are rarely if ever summonsed for this same reason. "Liking them" is a marginal factor.
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 12:57 PM
alright u so called know it all nypd traffic agents do hav badge number.... next yes its true u only issued 1 permit but u can have up to three plates on that permit.... and since when did we start giving out names and badge numbers
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 01:42 PM
Many of you have NO clue as to how stupid you are with all your silly assumptions.
There are many reasons the written number on the placard may not match the plate on the car.
1. The cop owns more than one car and the issuing officer didn't bother to write them all in.
2. The cop is using a family members car for whatever reason he wants.
As long as the placard number itself is on file at the command, the job knows who is responsible for it. What car it gets used in is irrelevant to anyone who knows. It's only fools like YOU who think it's a problem.
As far as a "75" placard being used in the 19th.
1. Has the officer been recently reassigned? I've transferred before in mid year and was told by the new command to "just keep it, we know who you are" in regard to turning in my old placerd and getting a new one.
2. Is he there just for a detail or for a short term reason?
3. He's allowed to park there. A SEZ for one precinct is often extended as a courtesy to those from other precincts. Why? Because we can.
Keep typing your assumptions. You sound more ignorant with every word.
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 03:50 PM
SEZ is just another way of saying you feel you have the right to violate VTL at your convenience and the city in general is your private parking lot! Its amazing to see how many in law enforcement scream foul every time a picture of their brethren violating traffic laws is displayed on this site.
Every time there is a posting that exposes the blatant abuse of authority from those in law enforcement or other city, state or federal agencies you hear the same thing over and over again about how this should be the last thing us average citizens should concern ourselves with. Give me a break non of you are so special that you should be allowed to break the law whenever you feel like it...
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 04:13 PM
Internet Soldier...........why does this bother you and others so much? serious question
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 04:31 PM
Well Bryan1....... It's the blatant abuse of authority by SOME not all in government. I understand that certain parking privileges are acceptable as well as needed for law enforcement and other agencies, it's when those privileges are abused such as when not on duty that bothers me.
Why should I have to obey VTLs and because someone works for a federal, state or city agency they be allowed to violate these laws as they please? Like I said, its not a problem while on duty and not in violation of VTLs. Its the arrogant attitude of some on this site that really makes people undermine the integrity of some these agencies.
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 04:41 PM
. Its the arrogant attitude of some on this site that really makes people undermine the integrity of some these agencies.............
Its the internet,do you really expect people to act civil,,,,,,,,and from what im hearing from a few le buddys some of these post and photos are posted by cops just trying to piss off or joke around with there partners and not so well liked co-workers......anyway coming from a non-civil worker i think both sides are taking this way to serious and yes i do think there is much more important stuff in life to complain about ,i know that sounds like every crying cop on here but its true.After all is it me or does the folks who run or sponsor the site ride there bikes all over the city onselect friday nights not following a single vtl on the books?
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 05:10 PM
TO #5:
The 19th does have a bike patrol. And I know officer reyes. And I think he meant officer feroz from the 19 not a traffic agent with that badge number. either way this is a silly post, but i just wanted to clear that up.
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 06:26 PM
Everyone on here is bitching that the number on the plaque does not match the plate. So what?
The NYPD only issues one plaque per officer. This is to PREVENT unauthorized use by family members or others who might use the second car while the officer is at work, etc.
And true, you can put multiple plates on one plaque, but plaques are rairly updated after they are issued.
Also, plates to a 2nd vehichle may change frequently, cops may use a family members car, or a rental car.
The number not matching is really a non-issue.
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 08:59 PM
#25 Contrary to your beliefs, I do not hate cops I just don't appreciate it when SOME feel they can do as they please as far as obeying the law is concerned. Someone such as yourself might feel like your replacing someones mother and that just goes to PROVE that certain members of law enforcement have superiority complexes. You are NOT a soldier you are a cop there is a difference there buddy.
I DONT HATE THE PEOPLE THAT TELL ME NO, I just have no respect for those who feel they are above the law and that they can obey the law only when they choose to.....
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 10:47 PM
My post #25 is right on the money.
I can't help it if you don't like it.
You can never tell me no. Ever.
The truth is what it is.
One more time. Don't try to insult me.
I am impervious to it.
Posted on Sat, May 19 2007 at 10:59 PM
#25 & #38 Your posts couldn't be any further than, "right on the money"..
Posted on Sun, May 20 2007 at 03:18 PM
These pathetic attempts to somehow justify this illegal behavior only serve to demonstrate how it is unjustifiable. I encourage anyone reading this to simply go to 305 E. 86th and see this vehicle parked there virtually every day, as I have. All the rhetoric, falsehoods, explanations, and twisting of the law mean nothing when facts prove otherwise. And by the way, as to the threats: any person can be prosecuted for making them (need I remind you about the former NY Court of Appeals Judge Sol Wachtler?) - he also lost his job.
Posted on Sun, May 20 2007 at 04:32 PM
1. you can give me a jay walking ticket anytime...they are $2.00 each- not worth the paperwork.
2. Cops if they need the car for work should have off street parking.
3. Placard parking has really become a problem. In downtown brooklyn they have to put a cop car to prevent any but the people authorized to park by the courts.
4. The cops get free mass transit use. I would rather they get to work that way.
Posted on Sun, May 20 2007 at 05:15 PM
#50 You say "cops get free mass transit use. I would rather they get to work that way."
I'm glad you think we should use mass transit rather then a car. However, we are all adults and can use whatever form of transportation we feel is best.
It has been pointed out on here many times before that cops to not work a set schedual every day (which would allow them to reliably use mass transportation without huge inconviniences). Many cops end up with overtime on an unschedualed basis, and once that is complete only have a few hours before they need to be back at work.
I would rather drive and save the commute time to get in a small nap, then to take a train and a bus in the middle of the night, get home and shower, and turn right back around and take another bus and train back to work. That makes no sense to me.
But I do agree that mass transit is probably the best way to go for any regular 9-5 employee (city or not), especially ones that work in Manhattan.
Posted on Sun, May 20 2007 at 05:28 PM
#40.... Wiley Coyote, Super Genius.... Are you kidding me with that nonsense.
If you were so hip you would have invented a carburator that gets 250 miles per gallon or cured some disease instead of riding your ten speed , reconning
our cars and whining about the police.
Street soldier... you want to say my posts aren't on the money. You can.
I protect you right to say so, but remember, I have 17 years on the job.
You don't have 17 seconds. So if you're so hip, you should look , listen
and learn when presented with the opportunity. You know where to find me.
Ask Jeff B., Dennis G., Annette, No Police State, or any other my
Union Square Park anarchists.Ask them where to find Muscles ( their name
for me ) You sound intelligent, a little misguided but intelligent
nontheless. Your efforts would be better spent elsewhere. This is a
dead issue. We can sit down and talk like gentlemen.
The Terminator
Posted on Sun, May 20 2007 at 05:41 PM
Good God, "muscles" signed by "the terminator"
Can't get any better PR for the NYPD.
lovely, just lovely.
keep it up.
Posted on Sun, May 20 2007 at 07:07 PM
These are names that you folks on the street call me.
They are not made up by me.
Sit down and talk like men. Real men.
I will explain to you why you can't change something
that has been in place longer than I have been alive.
Ike was the president when I was born.
Ask my Union Sq Park folks about me.
They will tell you.
I am always fair.
Posted on Sun, May 20 2007 at 09:38 PM
Okay, let's move on. Let's limit our posts and not waste any more time on this one. THIS FORUM IS CLOSED. It wasn't even a violation.
Posted on Sun, May 20 2007 at 10:50 PM
Will, how do you figure its not a violation?
Posted on Mon, May 21 2007 at 01:04 AM
PS: Did you see the Post on Sunday 5-20-07? They showed a picture of a downtown street similar to ones posted on here, claiming an exclusive, like they discovered it?
(Although they did quote TA, they didn't mention this site, unless I missed it.)
Posted on Mon, May 21 2007 at 12:28 PM
I appreciate that #54 understands LE's job to be protecting constitutional rights in addition to protecting people and property from crooks. Most of the apparent LE on this site vehemently disagree with that--they love to crow that a badge is a license to enforce the law selectively against those they dislike based on arbitrary or improper motives. I have always believed that the majority of LE get it. Like the NYT told us in the editorial on Sunday, the City needs to give NYPD a big raise so that we can recruit and retain people who are up to the job of police work in New York City. It is ridiculous that you get paid less to police an urban than a suburban environment.
But #54 also keeps saying "nothing will change" as if he had the power to see into the future. I'm not convinced. How many times since Ike was President have we seen the two most powerful City politicians saying placard abuse has to stop?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05202007/news/regionalnews/getting_a_pass_regionalnews_kathianne_boniello.htm
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05212007/news/regionalnews/parking_perks_driving_downtown_crazy__pol_regionalnews_john_mazor_and_dan_mangan.htm
To the rational LE out there (I was glad to see that there are more than one of you on this thread, too often there are none): You know that the system is going to change because City government is looking at sweeping changes in how roads are managed, and the abuse is far beyond a simple matter of cops parking their personal vehicles illegally around the precinct. You've got quite a few civilians getting free illegal parking with obviously fraudulent placards, because NYPD TEA is systematically giving a pass to any scrap of paper that might be a permit. There is no way you can defend that under the rubric of "self-enforcement," and attempts to do so make the whole force look corrupt. You've also got NYPD 9-to-5ers who don't need special parking privileges using old or invalid permits or paraphernalia on the dash to get over, when they should be using mass transit or paying for parking like anyone else. You've also got sidewalk, crosswalk, curb cut and bus stop parking with restricted permits that may not have killed anyone yet but without question disrespects and inconveniences the community. And you've got a handful of NYPD who do stupid things like abandoning a car for months in the middle of Central Park next to an SEZ with an invalid restricted permit from Brooklyn because they think no one will notice.
The Admins and many of the posters on this site are in favor of accommodating NYPD personnel who face unpredictable overtime and need convenient transportation. That could come in one or more of a variety of ways: a parking reimbursement, taxi or car service for OT, or dedication of curbside spaces near precincts for exclusive use of NYPD personnel that face unpredictable overtime. But in return, there has to and end to the gross abuses that have pissed so many people off and spawned this site. The benefit has to be limited to the cops who deserve it. That is the point of this site.
My impression is that, for every comment on this site by a cop that actually deserves a parking accommodation, there are 100 comments by apparent LE who are almost certainly working in desk jobs or unemployed (based on the timing of the comments), monitoring this site 24/7, leaping to make ad hominen attacks on posts and comments the minute they are up, crowing about how fun it is to break the law with impunity because police officers never enforce the law against each other, and making all sorts of other irresponsible and obviously false statements and threats. These wannabees should be ignored. They are just trying to glom on to the "LE mystique" and live out power fantasies from their troubled childhoods.
Posted on Mon, May 21 2007 at 03:57 PM
Even if they are sitting behind a desk pushing paper from 9 to 5? How do we know when they are not on the clock. I don't think anyone with a permit will post a sign saying "Hey, I'm not on duty".
Posted on Mon, May 21 2007 at 07:09 PM
I think NYPD officers well deserve a placard and should be able to park near their homes with them (regardless of the current technical definition of the SEZ). I think parking with the nose of your car in the cross work or in a bus stop or 5 feet from a hydrant near the precinct is forgivable. What I don't agree with is parking your personal vehicle on a hydrant or in a bus stop when you are near your house. In that case you can just as easily find a "No Standing Except Trucks" or "No Parking Anytime" to put your car in. In this case the guy is on a meter that is expired. He really IS NOT causing a safety violation. If you are looking for a spot and you are double parked it is YOU who is causing the safety violation. Circle the block and look for a spot don't block traffic.
Posted on Mon, May 21 2007 at 08:37 PM
Will says, "I think NYPD officers well deserve a placard and should be able to park near their homes with them (regardless of the current technical definition of the SEZ)" of course you do, theres no surprise there. The bottom line is, the law is exactly that "THE LAW". It should not be altered in order to accommodate its enforcers. Designated areas around precincts, court houses and DMVs only!! No Safety Hazards. As far as when at home, look for a spot like everyone else who comes home from work just as tired as they are!
Posted on Tue, May 22 2007 at 10:02 AM
Above, you say "As far as when at home, look for a spot like everyone else who comes home from work just as tired as they are!"
Yeah, maybe if they were just as tired. But imagine how tired you'd be if you worked for a city that did not care, a public that only complains, civilians that waste your time by taking pictures of your car, for little money, on a job that can kill you, and has killed your friends.
Then tell me that regular workers are just as tired as cops. It's a mentally draining, spiritually sapping, and physically demanding job. Please don't try to make it seem like it's not. (I'm not trying to advocate for home spots, I'm just saying don't belittle the job, it's much harder then you think.)
Posted on Tue, May 22 2007 at 11:17 AM
Those jaywalking tickets are nothing to scoff at. You actually have to go to court for one of those, even if it's just to plead guilty. That'll eat up half your day, waiting around in some dreary courthouse basement for your group to be called so you can wait around in some dreary courtroom for your name to be called, so you can get up in front of a judge and plead your case.
Speeders and people who commit moving traffic violations can mail in their check. But jaywalkers have to go to court. Go figure.
Posted on Tue, May 22 2007 at 01:28 PM
I work in the 19th and these are the facts:
We havn't had an active bike unit since 2003.
Traffic agents do not have badge numbers.
The 19th S E Z does not extend as far as 86th street but any car with a current N.Y.P.D permit shall be extended the courtesy no matter what. In a matter of speaking, then yes one can consider the entire 5 boros our own little S E Z.
The story accompanying the picture is full of crap.
Posted on Wed, May 23 2007 at 11:46 AM
Stop the nonsense! I own a business on 86 Street. I see this car illegally parked all the time. My customers can't find places to park on 86. I saw the incident with the cops on bikes. Do us a favor and pay to park you car like everyone else! Keep arguing and the issue will only get bigger. I have printed out this post and sent it to the Mayor's office and to the Police Commissioner's office and will call them to follow up. Your arrogance is an insult to the NYPD.
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Posted on Wed, May 23 2007 at 05:00 PM
#67, agreed there is no need to belittle cops and their job is rough. The NYPD salary should be more, not less than Nassau/Suffolk, for about ten good reasons.
But that can't mean that anyone who puts a scrap of paper on their dash gets to park wherever they want without a ticket because of the risk of ticketing a cop (I don't take you to be saying that, but that is the system we now have, which #62, 66, and 69 are trying to defend).
Posted on Thu, May 24 2007 at 02:51 AM
#62: No Steve is a troubled adult. He's locked in a battle of wits with unarmed men and it's very demanding job. Now having said that, your right about going after those off the clock. It might cut some slack for those on.
Right now you can't tell the diff between someone double parked while bullying a shopkeeper for cigs by showing a shield instead of ID when the cops had been giving out $250 tickets for that (true), and a guy who at that moment was coming between a guy and the girl he wants to kill.
#69 is lying. There was a white Cannondale in the lobby of the 19th marked "NYPD 19th pct". Is that where they store it, in everbody's way?
Of course TEA's have badge #'s. Are you crazy?
Posted on Tue, May 29 2007 at 05:39 PM
Police Officers work for the "Police Department City of New York" which encompasses all 5 boros. The always get assigned to work various details which require them to report for duty throughout the entire city. So he could have
easily been assign to work in that precinct for the day or several days.
Posted on Thu, May 31 2007 at 09:28 PM
Acknowledging #37, we hate that as much as we hate illegal parking. If it's bad for you at your job, it's bad for us.
Nobody is denying the job is hard and dirty, draining and deadly. It's just that so many are not up to the task.
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