It says: "Federal Law Enforcement Group Vehicle Identification". No mention of NYC anywhere. Apparently the PBA has been dealing with these imposters already. The description in the article matches what I saw exactly:
Called 311 for status update, and the 9th Pct reported that the car was no longer there on 9/29 at 3:45PM, 30 minutes after I filed 311 ticket. I can't say for certain, but based on past experience with the 9th precinct and their history of submitting false statements on 311 requests, I am pretty sure that the 9th Precinct did not visit the location to investigate. By doing this, the 9th precinct almost certainly let a Federal Law Enforcement impostor get away (as of 9/30, the car is no longer there). One wonders if impersonating Homeland Security personnel is the the least of this driver's crimes.
This is an episode that highlights just one reason why the NYPD should take these parking abuses seriously. Having people freely running around impersonating Law Enforcement Officers is a dangerous situation just waiting to happen. I think that's something we all can agree with.
Making your own parking permit with a fake company/agency name is not illegal.
Only DUPLICATING a real permit is against the law.
Just because you throw an official looking peice of paper in your window does not make it a permit. Hell, a ripped cardboard box with "I am Cop" written on it is just as "valid". This guy is not "impersonating" anything just by throwing a peice of paper in his window. You can legally put almost anything you want on your dash.
He is just taking advantage of an already poor and overused parking permit system, with little or poor training for traffic agents to distingish real permits from not real ones.
While that used to be true, I believe that the NYPD is cracking down now on these types of things. FOP placards and badges are now illegal, NPDF placards and badges are now illegal. Also, EMT's can't have a badge anymore that they purchased that says "New York State EMT" (Read about the CPMU guy who walked into court and was subsequently arrested see: http://www.cpmu.com/EMTShields.pdf ).
I find your point of him "taking advantage of an already poor and overused parking permit system, with little or poor training for traffic agents to distinguish real permits from not real ones" to be the most intelligent and interesting point I have heard on this website in a long time.
14feet, if it includes the symbol or seal of any government or law enforcement agency and its creation was not authorized by the agency represented, it is a forged document. Forgery is illegal in this country, and possession of forged documents is illegal.
Saint, you are correct, forgery is illegal. But, is the agency a real one, with a real seal? And if it is, are you sure the agency seal is an exact replica? Did you count all the tiny stars on the shild? Is the Indians head and Pilgrims hat (NYS) correct? It's sad, but if any of those things are not perfect then it is not forgery, it is mearly an artists representation.
This is why many of the T-Shirts sold with NYPD and FDNY logos are not copyright protected. I think WillNYC is correct, since 9-11 all these forgery issues have been ratcheted up the importance scale, but I doubt the DA's Office would uphold charges on a completly made up "permit" unless there was some other extenuating circumstance involved too.
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Posted on Sat, Sep 29 2007 at 03:21 PM
Still here 24 hours later. Submitted a 311 ticket, whose # is now in the original post.
Posted on Sun, Sep 30 2007 at 06:16 PM
What type of FLEO permit is it? What does it say on it?
Posted on Sun, Sep 30 2007 at 07:00 PM
It says: "Federal Law Enforcement Group Vehicle Identification". No mention of NYC anywhere. Apparently the PBA has been dealing with these imposters already. The description in the article matches what I saw exactly:
http://www.papba.org/media-archive/nyp-archive/nyp-050118-id.html
Posted on Sun, Sep 30 2007 at 07:20 PM
Called 311 for status update, and the 9th Pct reported that the car was no longer there on 9/29 at 3:45PM, 30 minutes after I filed 311 ticket. I can't say for certain, but based on past experience with the 9th precinct and their history of submitting false statements on 311 requests, I am pretty sure that the 9th Precinct did not visit the location to investigate. By doing this, the 9th precinct almost certainly let a Federal Law Enforcement impostor get away (as of 9/30, the car is no longer there). One wonders if impersonating Homeland Security personnel is the the least of this driver's crimes.
This is an episode that highlights just one reason why the NYPD should take these parking abuses seriously. Having people freely running around impersonating Law Enforcement Officers is a dangerous situation just waiting to happen. I think that's something we all can agree with.
Posted on Mon, Oct 01 2007 at 10:14 AM
Making your own parking permit with a fake company/agency name is not illegal.
Only DUPLICATING a real permit is against the law.
Just because you throw an official looking peice of paper in your window does not make it a permit. Hell, a ripped cardboard box with "I am Cop" written on it is just as "valid". This guy is not "impersonating" anything just by throwing a peice of paper in his window. You can legally put almost anything you want on your dash.
He is just taking advantage of an already poor and overused parking permit system, with little or poor training for traffic agents to distingish real permits from not real ones.
Posted on Mon, Oct 01 2007 at 07:07 PM
While that used to be true, I believe that the NYPD is cracking down now on these types of things. FOP placards and badges are now illegal, NPDF placards and badges are now illegal. Also, EMT's can't have a badge anymore that they purchased that says "New York State EMT" (Read about the CPMU guy who walked into court and was subsequently arrested see: http://www.cpmu.com/EMTShields.pdf ).
I find your point of him "taking advantage of an already poor and overused parking permit system, with little or poor training for traffic agents to distinguish real permits from not real ones" to be the most intelligent and interesting point I have heard on this website in a long time.
Posted on Tue, Oct 02 2007 at 01:41 PM
14feet, if it includes the symbol or seal of any government or law enforcement agency and its creation was not authorized by the agency represented, it is a forged document. Forgery is illegal in this country, and possession of forged documents is illegal.
Posted on Wed, Oct 03 2007 at 06:42 PM
Saint, you are correct, forgery is illegal. But, is the agency a real one, with a real seal? And if it is, are you sure the agency seal is an exact replica? Did you count all the tiny stars on the shild? Is the Indians head and Pilgrims hat (NYS) correct? It's sad, but if any of those things are not perfect then it is not forgery, it is mearly an artists representation.
This is why many of the T-Shirts sold with NYPD and FDNY logos are not copyright protected. I think WillNYC is correct, since 9-11 all these forgery issues have been ratcheted up the importance scale, but I doubt the DA's Office would uphold charges on a completly made up "permit" unless there was some other extenuating circumstance involved too.
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