The sign says No parking 7-4 school days. That is the same designation for teacher parking as the other signs that say No Parking except DOE. There is no problem here. They are parked in front of a school. What is the problem?
Will, the problem is that while an "average person" is smart enough to understand what the sign means, LITERALISTS want every sign in this city correct. Thats why when they go to court to fight the ticket, they pull every trick in the book; Graffiti, tree leaf in the way, sign missing, wrong sign, etc to get out of a ticket. But as soon as the shoe is on the other foot, they say no, lets not give the benefit of the doubt to the teachers, lets just say they can't park there.
If they took a walk to the end of the block, they'd see the sign that says DOE vehicle. The rest of the signs are old, and havn't been updated or changed in years. This is the same deal around other city buildings. All the city employees know what the signs mean, and where you can and can't park around there. But the LITERALISTS want the signs read word for word.
The solution is simple. Just research the areas, decide on the new size of the SEZ, and sign it 100% properly. This is gonna cost the city ALOT of money (esp when changes need to be made to sidewalks, etc), but after it's done once, it should be good for a long time.
I disagree. However much it makes sense to create curbside parking next to schools reserved for teachers with DoE permits, it also makes sense to have curbside space next to the school that is no standing, so that school buses and parents can pull up to the curb and let their kids out of the car. That's the school's front door, in the immediate left of the picture. You think every curbside space should be parking for teachers, hile the elementary school kids get dumped in the middle of the street?
Of course there is an interest to get kids and busses in safely also. This needs to be factored into the solution too. Do they need space? Yes. Do they need the whole block? No. This is all something that needs to be looked into when the research study is conducted.
There's not going to be any research study or other actions to address the problem (which has been going on for years) of the teachers and other public employees taking all the spaces intended for child drop-off, unless the problem is raised and publicized, which is the purpose of this site.
BicyclesOnly writes: "However much it makes sense to create curbside parking next to schools reserved for teachers with DoE permits, it also makes sense to have curbside space next to the school that is no standing, so that school buses and parents can pull up to the curb and let their kids out of the car." First of all let me just say you can't have it all ways. Take away a few alternate side spots and the community board with bitch and moan about how parking spots are dwindling in the neighborhood. Parents drive their cars to school and clog the streets when they could, in this case, put it on a meter on Columbus OR Amsterdam and walk to meet their children. If they have a car in the city, they can afford two quarters for the fifteen minutes they will be gone. DO NOT come back with "oh well if parents can afford the quarters why can't you say the same thing for police?" We have already established that police have odd hours and impromptu overtime. What Bloomberg's placard initiative will accomplish is a clear and concise number of placards in the city and weed out all of the bogus placards (post office, clergy, imitations, that NPDF crap). What it will NOT accomplish is: changing of the street signs without the already arduous DOT process of researching the area, changing sidewalk widths to accommodate more cars or prevent NYPD officers from parking the way they do already. I am curious to know what this "placard police" will do and how much of an effect it will have. I'm pretty sure they can't touch the Fed placards and they aren't going to do anything with the DA placards or DOT placards. The article does not indicate who, exactly, will lose a plaque in the 20% reduction.
Will, you totally missed my point. Half the spaces on the block are DoE, the other half are no parking. The no parking spots are in front of the door to the school. What is wrong with trying to "have it both ways" by forcing people to respect both of these signed areas, and limiting teachers to parking in the DoE section? Do we have to have only a single form of parking regulation across the entire city in order to avoid "having it both ways"?
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Posted on Thu, Jan 10 2008 at 02:49 AM
The sign says No parking 7-4 school days. That is the same designation for teacher parking as the other signs that say No Parking except DOE. There is no problem here. They are parked in front of a school. What is the problem?
Posted on Thu, Jan 10 2008 at 10:39 AM
Will, the problem is that while an "average person" is smart enough to understand what the sign means, LITERALISTS want every sign in this city correct. Thats why when they go to court to fight the ticket, they pull every trick in the book; Graffiti, tree leaf in the way, sign missing, wrong sign, etc to get out of a ticket. But as soon as the shoe is on the other foot, they say no, lets not give the benefit of the doubt to the teachers, lets just say they can't park there.
If they took a walk to the end of the block, they'd see the sign that says DOE vehicle. The rest of the signs are old, and havn't been updated or changed in years. This is the same deal around other city buildings. All the city employees know what the signs mean, and where you can and can't park around there. But the LITERALISTS want the signs read word for word.
The solution is simple. Just research the areas, decide on the new size of the SEZ, and sign it 100% properly. This is gonna cost the city ALOT of money (esp when changes need to be made to sidewalks, etc), but after it's done once, it should be good for a long time.
Posted on Thu, Jan 10 2008 at 12:31 PM
I disagree. However much it makes sense to create curbside parking next to schools reserved for teachers with DoE permits, it also makes sense to have curbside space next to the school that is no standing, so that school buses and parents can pull up to the curb and let their kids out of the car. That's the school's front door, in the immediate left of the picture. You think every curbside space should be parking for teachers, hile the elementary school kids get dumped in the middle of the street?
Posted on Thu, Jan 10 2008 at 02:44 PM
What point of compromise do you people not get?
Of course there is an interest to get kids and busses in safely also. This needs to be factored into the solution too. Do they need space? Yes. Do they need the whole block? No. This is all something that needs to be looked into when the research study is conducted.
Posted on Thu, Jan 10 2008 at 03:56 PM
There's not going to be any research study or other actions to address the problem (which has been going on for years) of the teachers and other public employees taking all the spaces intended for child drop-off, unless the problem is raised and publicized, which is the purpose of this site.
Posted on Thu, Jan 10 2008 at 10:19 PM
BicyclesOnly writes: "However much it makes sense to create curbside parking next to schools reserved for teachers with DoE permits, it also makes sense to have curbside space next to the school that is no standing, so that school buses and parents can pull up to the curb and let their kids out of the car." First of all let me just say you can't have it all ways. Take away a few alternate side spots and the community board with bitch and moan about how parking spots are dwindling in the neighborhood. Parents drive their cars to school and clog the streets when they could, in this case, put it on a meter on Columbus OR Amsterdam and walk to meet their children. If they have a car in the city, they can afford two quarters for the fifteen minutes they will be gone. DO NOT come back with "oh well if parents can afford the quarters why can't you say the same thing for police?" We have already established that police have odd hours and impromptu overtime. What Bloomberg's placard initiative will accomplish is a clear and concise number of placards in the city and weed out all of the bogus placards (post office, clergy, imitations, that NPDF crap). What it will NOT accomplish is: changing of the street signs without the already arduous DOT process of researching the area, changing sidewalk widths to accommodate more cars or prevent NYPD officers from parking the way they do already. I am curious to know what this "placard police" will do and how much of an effect it will have. I'm pretty sure they can't touch the Fed placards and they aren't going to do anything with the DA placards or DOT placards. The article does not indicate who, exactly, will lose a plaque in the 20% reduction.
Posted on Fri, Jan 11 2008 at 02:17 PM
Will, you totally missed my point. Half the spaces on the block are DoE, the other half are no parking. The no parking spots are in front of the door to the school. What is wrong with trying to "have it both ways" by forcing people to respect both of these signed areas, and limiting teachers to parking in the DoE section? Do we have to have only a single form of parking regulation across the entire city in order to avoid "having it both ways"?
Posted on Thu, Sep 04 2008 at 07:07 PM
Why do teachers drive?
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