Good point, Dragonman. There is a recent picture of NYPD 3-wheel scooters parked on a sidewalk, but what about the uproar for this civilian scooter? Why isn't that featured on here? Isn't this scooter also a "safety hazard"? It blocks the sidewalk right? There is SUCH a double standard on this site it's not even funny... (And I know, I know, you guys are going to say that there is no permit on this scooter, and it could possibly get a ticket. Yes, thats true. But obviously officers are using their discression, and choosing NOT to ticket it, because most sidewalk parking is NOT a big deal, and NOT a direct safety issue.)
14Feet - you answered your own question. I wouldn't call that a double-standard, but there is a standard, clearly posted all over the site.
If you'd like to start your own site documenting the problem of scooters and motorcycles parking on the sidewalk, you are of course free to do so. It's certainly a problem that needs addressing. But at this point, you should understand the motivation for this site's existence and the reason why it is dedicated to documenting the abuse of parking permits/placards. If you still do not, I suggest you read http://nyc.uncivilservants.org/the_problem and http://nyc.uncivilservants.org/the_campaign.
So, you guys pick and choose the parking problem, blaming it ALL on permit holders. Nice. It must be awesome walking around with blinders on.
I think if anything is going to be done about illegal parking in this city, it needs to be a COMPLETE overhaul of the entire system. That includes, not only restricting permit parking use, but also re-educating the public on correct parking, re-signing many poor/outdated/impropery signed locations, more trainging for traffic agents and police officers, and redesign/repaving of certain streets.
If you do all of this, the NYC parking environment will change, but if you just walk around with blinders on only looking at part of the problem, you're only fooling yourselves.
(Oh, and my point wasn't to start a war against scooter-sidewalk parking, my point was that traffic agents don't just use their discression for fellow city workers, they also use it for the general public on a daily basis.)
14-feet Maybe the NYPD should stop using their discression and start ticketing every infraction. Like Jaywalking, No turn signals, No lights on when raining, Not yielding to pedestrians in the cross walk, Bikes not following the rules of the road like stopping for stop signs and red lights. Then you'll here an uproar about how the NYPD is not using their discression.
What I'm trying to say is, that it's not the permit that lets city employees park where they do, it's the discression granted by the ticket writers. So how come when a civilian gets that same discression (the scooter above) it's not a big deal, but when city employees get it it becomes "wrong"? Thats all I'm saying...
Dragon, I wish cops had time to do all the "zero discression" enforcement you talk about. However, cops are already overworked. Just answering 911 calls in many busy precincts leaves cops with little or no time to do other stuff (such as write tickets, do community visits, or do follow ups on victims, etc). If every cop just focused on writting every violation they saw, most of them wouldn't get 2 blocks from the precinct in an 8 hour tour. Oh, and not to mention that cops should be writting LESS (to provide the city with less money), because the city doesn't want to pay cops fairly, or in a timely manner.
Not just $0.25 would be missing from the city coffers. I'm not sure how many minutes $0.25 would buy you at this specific parking meter, but I'm assuming if the car's parked there all day, most days, that'd add up. One could argue that if it wasn't a big deal, it also wouldn't be a big deal for the driver to just put $0.25 into the meter.
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Posted on Thu, May 08 2008 at 05:06 PM
You're worried about $0.25 missing from the city coffer? Relax. He's parked fine. In a spot. Not causing any sort of problem. This is a none issue.
Posted on Thu, May 08 2008 at 10:46 PM
What about the motor cycle on the sidewalk?
Posted on Fri, May 09 2008 at 09:23 AM
Good point, Dragonman. There is a recent picture of NYPD 3-wheel scooters parked on a sidewalk, but what about the uproar for this civilian scooter? Why isn't that featured on here? Isn't this scooter also a "safety hazard"? It blocks the sidewalk right? There is SUCH a double standard on this site it's not even funny... (And I know, I know, you guys are going to say that there is no permit on this scooter, and it could possibly get a ticket. Yes, thats true. But obviously officers are using their discression, and choosing NOT to ticket it, because most sidewalk parking is NOT a big deal, and NOT a direct safety issue.)
Posted on Fri, May 09 2008 at 09:55 AM
14Feet - you answered your own question. I wouldn't call that a double-standard, but there is a standard, clearly posted all over the site.
If you'd like to start your own site documenting the problem of scooters and motorcycles parking on the sidewalk, you are of course free to do so. It's certainly a problem that needs addressing. But at this point, you should understand the motivation for this site's existence and the reason why it is dedicated to documenting the abuse of parking permits/placards. If you still do not, I suggest you read http://nyc.uncivilservants.org/the_problem and http://nyc.uncivilservants.org/the_campaign.
Posted on Fri, May 09 2008 at 07:28 PM
So, you guys pick and choose the parking problem, blaming it ALL on permit holders. Nice. It must be awesome walking around with blinders on.
I think if anything is going to be done about illegal parking in this city, it needs to be a COMPLETE overhaul of the entire system. That includes, not only restricting permit parking use, but also re-educating the public on correct parking, re-signing many poor/outdated/impropery signed locations, more trainging for traffic agents and police officers, and redesign/repaving of certain streets.
If you do all of this, the NYC parking environment will change, but if you just walk around with blinders on only looking at part of the problem, you're only fooling yourselves.
(Oh, and my point wasn't to start a war against scooter-sidewalk parking, my point was that traffic agents don't just use their discression for fellow city workers, they also use it for the general public on a daily basis.)
Posted on Mon, May 12 2008 at 08:36 AM
14-feet Maybe the NYPD should stop using their discression and start ticketing every infraction. Like Jaywalking, No turn signals, No lights on when raining, Not yielding to pedestrians in the cross walk, Bikes not following the rules of the road like stopping for stop signs and red lights. Then you'll here an uproar about how the NYPD is not using their discression.
Posted on Mon, May 12 2008 at 10:32 AM
What I'm trying to say is, that it's not the permit that lets city employees park where they do, it's the discression granted by the ticket writers. So how come when a civilian gets that same discression (the scooter above) it's not a big deal, but when city employees get it it becomes "wrong"? Thats all I'm saying...
Posted on Thu, May 15 2008 at 11:09 PM
Dragon, I wish cops had time to do all the "zero discression" enforcement you talk about. However, cops are already overworked. Just answering 911 calls in many busy precincts leaves cops with little or no time to do other stuff (such as write tickets, do community visits, or do follow ups on victims, etc). If every cop just focused on writting every violation they saw, most of them wouldn't get 2 blocks from the precinct in an 8 hour tour. Oh, and not to mention that cops should be writting LESS (to provide the city with less money), because the city doesn't want to pay cops fairly, or in a timely manner.
Posted on Fri, Jun 20 2008 at 05:33 PM
Not just $0.25 would be missing from the city coffers. I'm not sure how many minutes $0.25 would buy you at this specific parking meter, but I'm assuming if the car's parked there all day, most days, that'd add up. One could argue that if it wasn't a big deal, it also wouldn't be a big deal for the driver to just put $0.25 into the meter.
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