Illegally parks to shop

Observed by hiyall on Sun, Sep 28 2008

Illegally parks and adds safety hazard on narrow street next to school, 2 malls, and on traffic island that has been location of traffic accidents, one of which injured a female pedestrian due to the congestion and blind spots.

How far is 73rd precinct self enforcement zone from 56th Ave at 90th Street, Elmhurst, NY ? Can one see the station house from there?

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2 hiyall

Posted on Wed, Oct 01 2008 at 11:22 AM

Hmmm looks like the self enforcement zone where this placard is valid is over 6 miles away per Google maps:

Driving directions to 90-03 56th Ave, Queens, NY 11373
6.8 mi – about 16 mins

1470 E New York Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11212

1. Head northeast on E New York Ave toward Bristol St
0.6 mi
2. Slight right to stay on E New York Ave
364 ft
3. Continue on Atlantic Ave
0.3 mi
4. Turn left at Granville Payne Ave/Pennsylvania Ave
0.2 mi
5. Continue on Interborough Pkwy N/Jackie Robinson Pkwy N (signs for Jackie Robinson Pkwy)
2.8 mi
6. Take exit 5 toward Woodhaven Blvd/Myrtle Ave
0.1 mi
7. Merge onto Forest Park Dr
0.1 mi
8. Turn right at Union Turnpike
0.3 mi
9. Turn left at Woodhaven Blvd
2.1 mi
10. Turn left at Queens Blvd
0.1 mi
11. Turn right at 90th St
0.1 mi
12. Turn right at 56th Ave
69 ft

90-03 56th Ave
Queens, NY 11373

5 NYSVTL

Posted on Sun, Oct 05 2008 at 10:47 PM

Where did we come up with this address, 90-03 56th Avenue, Queens, NY 11373, that has been consistently used and seen all over this website?

I conducted my own internal investigation using my resources on this 90-03 56th Avenue, Queens, NY 11373 address and accordingly this address comes up "not founded" nor is it listed in on "official" City/State (911 Annie-Ally location) or Federal (U.S. Postal Service Address Locator).

Just because the "supposed" address is listed in a google map search, does not make it an "official" address.

I was to get a summons for parking while at this location, with that address listed, I'd fight it immediately. It wouldn't be so hard to get documentation from an "official" City/State/Federal website to prove that this address does not exist.

Keep that in mind.

6 neighborhoodwatch

Posted on Sun, Oct 05 2008 at 11:42 PM

Oh boy, the excuses keep on coming!

"I conducted my own internal investigation" .. hahaha. If you knew anything about Queens, you'd know that the actual address is 90-03 56th Avenue, Elmhurst, NY. If you were to get a summons, you'd get it at this address. Fight it all you want, but you'd lose.

Besides, the point of this site is not to issue summons, a point repeatedly lost on those who advocate breaking the law.

So what's your point?

7 NYSVTL

Posted on Mon, Oct 06 2008 at 05:33 AM

Mr. Neighborhood Watch:

First, I have OVER 25 years of police experience and I can say that I know alot more about the Borough of Queens then you will ever as I patrolled the streets in some of the worst neighborhoods at one point or another. So maybe you need to redirect your "hahaha. If you knew anything about Queens" comment to him.

Second, it was Mr. Hiyall, not I, who was "plastered" the "google" map search result which he clearly states the address "90-03 56th Avenue, QUEENS, NY 11373". Ironically, the website also list the location as "9003 56 Ave, Queens, NY".

Third, I was just trying to make a point. I refer you to the Official Compilation of Rules of the City of New York, Title 19, Chapter 39, §39-02(a)(3) which states:

§39-02 Notice of Violation (Summons).
(3) If any information that is required to be inserted in a notice of
violation is omitted from the notice of violation, misdescribed, or
illegible, the violation shall be dismissed upon application of the
person charged with the violation.

Even if every vehicle photographed and plastered on here was to receive a "summons", it would be dimissed based on the location of the violation being "misdescribed".

I don't know what internal investigation you supposedly conducted but you are dead wrong regarding this address, be it "90-03 or 9003 56th Avenue, QUEENS or ELMHURST, NY". There is no building on that triangle for there to be an "official" address to be listed on the "summons". So again, if photographs of vehicles are going to be taken and then plastered on this website, then we should get the information "correct" before we do so.

With that in mind, let me also refer you to "The uncivilservant.org Terms of Service Agreement" which clearly states: You promise not to post false, misleading or inaccurate information and to delete any information that you later learn is false, misleading or inaccurate".

Well accordingly, the website can't have it both ways. The information posted is at the least "inaccurate" and it should be deleted as stated in the Terms of Service Agreement. That means each and every post and photograph that list the location as "90-03 or 9003 56th Avenue, QUEENS or ELMHURST, NY" should be removed immediately from this website, which is about 50 or more percent of the entire website.

I can't have it both ways neither. For all of the "summones" that I have written that either had information "omitted" or "misdescribed", those "summons" should and most likely have been dismissed which means that all posts and photographs on this website should be given the same faith.

We should all be on the same page if we want to do the right thing here.

8 hiyall

Posted on Mon, Oct 06 2008 at 09:54 AM

The purpose of the address that I post at this site is to locate the google map to the location that the chronic illegal and dangerous parking is occurring. The address that I use is satisfactory in that context. The constraints are the doing of google. In addition, there is normally enough identifying characteristics among the several photos that I take of each violation that it can indeed be tied to the location of the violation by the photos alone.
It would not matter if you had one day, zero days or 25 years experience on the force - the vehicles recorded by me - indeed were at the spot they were photographed and were illegally parking at the time I recorded the event with photos. Unless your vehicle is the one in the photo or you were charged with enforcing the law in this area when the violations were committed or you were endangered because you chose to walk across the street here and were thereby exposed to the increased risk posed by vehicles parking here, you are completely irrelevant and superfluous.

9 hiyall

Posted on Mon, Oct 06 2008 at 09:56 AM

NYSVTL: By your own words, the address/photo combination allowed you to find it.

" ... There is no building on that triangle for there to be an "official" address to be listed on the "summons". ... "

10 hiyall

Posted on Mon, Oct 06 2008 at 10:03 AM

PS: There is no building on the traffic triangle due to it being located between 2 merging streets (Justice Ave and 56 Ave). NY DOT has already weighed in with an independent field study that recommended not only not allowing parking anytime, but also no standing. A vehicle stopped/standing/parking here is just dangerous for all who have to navigate past it. No amount of whining, appeasement or bloviating will change that. There has been an injury here that I witnessed and when 911 was called, the 110th did not even see fit to respond. There have been other near collisions and at least one recent non injury collision here. In addition, this has been the location of multiple assaults and 1 perhaps 2 menacing incidents here. The same people that illegally park are often more than ready to lie, attack, menace, assault or otherwise attempt to intimidate anyone who gets in the way of their personal convenience or "right" to break the law as they claim it.

11 neighborhoodwatch

Posted on Tue, Oct 07 2008 at 12:06 AM

NYSVTL - I'm sorry, but I don't get you at all, but ironically, this statement is also wildly inaccurate:

"That means each and every post and photograph that list the location as '90-03 or 9003 56th Avenue, QUEENS or ELMHURST, NY' should be removed immediately from this website, which is about 50 or more percent of the entire website."

hiyall has 61 posts to his/her name, not all of which are at that address. There are 944 posts in all on this site, which, according to my arithmetic (not sure about yours), is around 6.5%, not 50%.

12 hiyall

Posted on Tue, Oct 07 2008 at 06:12 AM

I make no apologies for documenting the chronic problems of illegal parking and non-enforcement of traffic law/ordincances at the traffic triangle in my neighborhood.

13 hiyall

Posted on Tue, Oct 07 2008 at 07:31 AM

I just verified the 9003 56th Ave, Elmhurst, NY 11373-4934 address at the FEDEX address checker. The traffic triangle is just across the street from this address and it is indeed a valid address as listed on a house there. This is just another fallacious exercise in appeasement and defense of senseless lawlessness endorsed and participated in by our police department.

14 dragonman

Posted on Tue, Oct 07 2008 at 08:11 AM

neighborhoodwatch: I believe NYSVTL was looking at the last month or so. In the last month or so Hiyall has been mainly the only one posting pictures on this web site. Hiyall has posted more than 50% of the pictures in the last month or so. All the other ones who were posting pictures on this web site must have gotten the message. Nothing is going to change.

16 lawandorder

Posted on Tue, Oct 07 2008 at 08:18 AM

Really, nothing's going to change? You haven't been reading the news then -- it has changed.

17 dragonman

Posted on Tue, Oct 07 2008 at 09:40 AM

For your information Hiyall 9003 56th Ave, Elmhurst, NY 11373-4934 is NOT a valid address. Go to Google Earth. Download the program. Enter the address and it brings you to the island of trees. I also checked the USPS and it is not a valid delivery address.

18 Civilian Benevolent Association

Posted on Tue, Oct 07 2008 at 09:56 AM

25 years of LE? I think just listening to the scanner because if you were LE you'd know it's ANI-ALI, not Annie Ally. It's short for an automatic locator system not 2 girls names. This may seem like a small point but since he went to the trouble of getting those other symbols correct, I'm suspicious.

BTW, if they tear down my building, the lot still has the same address, even if no building on the lot.

That's right, this is all just a smokescreen to detract from the astounding number of LE ID's used to avoid paying for parking like all the rest of us has to in the big garage there for that purpose.

This is becoming a police state and these postings are a part of the new attitude of "We can do what we want and we don't care who sees it"

19 lawandorder

Posted on Tue, Oct 07 2008 at 10:38 AM

dragon - hmm, I dunno, usps.com says that exact address is perfectly valid. Yes, it should be 90-03 56th Ave, but 9003 works too.

20 dragonman

Posted on Tue, Oct 07 2008 at 10:53 AM

If you put any address in mapquest or google search it will bring you to where ever that address should be if there was an actual building at that location. By the google map there is no building at the location where hiyall states the address to be. If any ticket is written there it will get thrown out as there is no building there. The ticket would have to read. The Vehicle is parked across from such address to make the ticket valid. I have beaten many tickets because the ticket wasn't filed out correctly. And yes lawandorder I do have a placard., But like I've stated before I only use it when I'm on the clock.

21 NYSVTL

Posted on Thu, Oct 09 2008 at 05:10 AM

For Dragonman - Thank you for trying to sort out what I was trying to explain to the rest of the individuals on this post.

For CBA - Thank you for correcting me. Yes it is "Ani-Ali". I just couldn't think of it when I needed to put it in writing. I was wrong and when I am, I'm the first to admit it.

For everyone else - I understand that the purpose of this website is to "make known", "out", "rat" (or whatever terminology you want to use) on the individuals who operate and park their POV's, GOV's, City/State Vehicles where they "shouldn't" without worrying about receiving what I will call an orange "Gift Certificate".

The point that I was trying to clarify on this was that even if every single person whose POV, GOV, City/State vehicle where to receive an orange "Gift Certificate" at this location utilizing the address that "hiyall" has posted where the "violation", not a "crime", as I have seen the word "crime" used on here a lot, the "violation" occurred, it would be just a waste of paper, time and energy because even an illiterate individual would notice the "misdescribed" location on the orange "gift certificate", thereby allowing it to be dismissed. That's all I was trying to say.

I was not trying to make excuses, blow smoke up anyones butt or whatever you or whomever else what to say I was trying to do.

I can say this though, no one, not yourself or any individual who is so eager to post a picture or pictures on this website can honestly say that they have never, ever, committed some type of traffic "infraction" (an illegal u-turn, roll through a stop sign, run a light) or some type of a "parking violation". We've all done it at one time or another but it's the hypocrites who have done so and then post pictures on here who are afraid to admit it.

Would it make you and the rest of the posters on here happy if I was to stand out there at this location and pump out orange "gift certificates" all day long to vehicles utilizing the address that "hiyall" claims the "violations" are occurring at? I bet that would make you all happy and want to post pictures of that on here as well bragging how you finally got someone one to enforce the law.

Well then let me ask you and the rest of the posters on here what would be the complaint when you discover that each and every one of those orange "gift certificates" that I so diligently pump out to make you and the rest of the posters on here excited about, were to be dismissed because of the "invalid address" of the "violation"? You'd probably then go and make an accusation that we "purposely" "misdescribed" that location so that the orange "gift certificates" would be dismissed. I'd bet your life on it thats exactly what you would say and post on here.

22 hiyall

Posted on Wed, Oct 22 2008 at 09:08 AM

NYSVTL: I do not speak for all posters here, but, I am qualified to speak for myself. I, too for too long a time, ignored the safety issues found at this location due to a complex interaction of chronic jaywalking, high traffic draws, chronic illegal parking, lack of commonly found safety enhancements/regulations for school zones and general lack of awareness of consequences of one's action or inaction. It took a witnessed near miss of a pedestrian injury followed by a witnessed pedestrian injury occurring a few days later to open my eyes to the safety issues at this location when high traffic, chronic jaywalking, traffic congestion triggered driver aggression, and illegal parking which adds congestion and reduced vision for all potential participants in vehicle/vehicle and vehicle/pedestrian collisions. If the laws were enforced (e.g. summons' issued - vehicles towed if lawful - deterrents to jaywalking - education, enforcement, crosswalk mid block near entrance to school, school safety officer to help moderate the jaywalkers, etc.) then I am certain the risk of injury would be substantially reduced here. With a conspiracy on the part of the PBA/NYPD to unilaterally grant citizens immunity from illegal parking, assault, menacing, harrassment and perhaps other crimes/infractions/violations simply on the basis of who their employer is makes tackling this safety issue much more difficult to resolve. It certainly is not government as intended by this government's founders. It elevates a "simple illegal parking" issue to one with profound aftershocks.
Speculating, if summons were issued, folks called in to explain their behavior, etc when they abuse the trust and authority that was extended to them on the basis of their employment and oaths, then they may be less likely to repeat offend. They may not have been aware of the safety issues or potential for harm to others due to their self-serving acts for personal convenience and if they are truly considerate, dedicated public servants then it has a chance to alter their future behavior. At worst there should be some deterrent if nothing else, the embarrassement of authority abuse to avoid paying a few dollars at the legal parking facility across the street. Where or not there is a fine penalty or not will be worked out by the judicial branch and give the legislative branch to weigh in as well. This is how our government was intended to function - with checks and balances to ward off rogue elements who unilateral grab and abuse power.
Speaking for myself, if each branch performed according to their role, then things would likely improve. It is not some fine or punishment to an individual offender that I am interested in, it is finding a solution or solutions to resolve the safety issues in and around the malls, schools and homes located in my neighborhood. Unfortunately, with the conspiracy to ignore infractions for those who deliberately illegally park and then place id paraphernalia on their vehicle to alert fellow conspirators of their status - and the myriad of reports closed with false statements - the only options left are to expose the conspiracy one sullied act at a time with whatever lights available to me to make public that which the offenders wish to keep hidden. It is daunting - I have my voice, cell phone and camera to defend myself from armed, lawbreakers - some of who in the past have assaulted, harrassed, threatened and falsely imprisoned me. I refuse to let a few rogues in the NYPD intimidate or cause me to fear the police department. I know for every rogue, bad acting, police officer there are others who are honest, hard working, dedicated, patriotic and heroic in their dedication to protecting the public that they serve. Eventually, it is my belief that the incorrectness of the illegalities forwarded by a few with the NYPD will be curtailed by the majority of those within the department who see this behavior for what it is - callous, arrogant, self serving acts to avoid an inconvenience of time, money or both which is illegal and sometimes dangerous to others.

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