Permits are valid in “No Parking Anytime” and “No Parking” with specific hours, in “No Standing except Trucks Loading and Unloading” and (except for Press) at Meters.
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anonymous
Posted on Sat, Mar 17 2007 at 03:30 PM
On what basis do you assert that this is legal parking? What organization issues these placards and with what authority?
anonymous
Posted on Sat, Mar 17 2007 at 05:16 PM
I guess this would be O.K. if by definition you would consider everyday you go to the office "Official Business" who knew court clerks where so important that by job description they can't use the train?
You have so many posts about Crosby Street, that I had to respond to them all, lest anyone out there misses our discussions under your post of “The hardiest commuters”, (which, by the way, has gotten a lot of responses since we have begun this discussion). As I’ve said elsewhere, you have very valid points with some respects (and I respect your opinion, unlike many of your fellow advocates I am not attacking anyone), but I think you raise some red herrings in others. I previously posted elsewhere:
“I think that in certain claims, your website has some valid objections, and some red herrings. This argument about this section of parking on Crosby street seems a bit disingenuous, at best. For example, the street depicted in this photo has the post from the user that says there is “No Parking” from “8am to 6pm”. So I suppose the question is this: If no one is allowed to park from 8 am to 6pm, how is this hurting you as residents or as business owners if a Court Officer, or Police Officer, or dog catcher parks there?
Of course I agree with the most important issue that your website has concerns over, namely safety issues like fire hydrants, cross walks, bike lanes and side walks. No one should park there for safety and emergency concerns. Also, I understand that on Baxter or Mulberry or similar streets, or anywhere there is metered parking, that this would be a problem for merchants, and I agree with that point. These civil servants should be more courteous on how they exercise the courtesies that they enjoy. What I disagree with is how someone with a parking plaque parking in an area where no one is supposed to park hurts anyone. It doesn’t take away a spot that we could park in, does it? Does it hurt a merchant? No. Does it hurt a resident? No. “
In response, you posted to me elsewhere:
“If you want to cry about the needs of the Court Officer, cry to the city to buy some real estate for a Court Officer parking lot, don't expect the abused neighborhood to tolerate this systematic and chronic problem. In this neighborhood these areas were once loading zones, and as the neighborhood has become more oriented around retail the needs for parking has only increased, and the needs for loading lessened. If we took the Court Officer's cars out of the equation, I believe that most traffic engineers and urban planners would say that this neighborhood needs some alternate side parking for residents,and mostly metered parking for Soho shoppers, along with loading zones. I think that this is what we will see in the end, because this will be better for residents, and better for businesses.”
I replied”
“I totally respect your opinion, and it would be nice if the city did buy parking for their employees like many cities do. But as I commented earlier I fully support the website‘s position with respect to safety issues, however, you posted that the sign says no parking from 8am to 6pm, so forgive me, but I don’t see how any vehicle with a parking plaque parking there affects your customers if they can’t park there during the hours in question. You are right that those “areas were once loading zones, and as the neighborhood has become more oriented around retail the needs for parking has only increased, and the needs for loading lessened”. It is a valid point.
But it is one of the red herrings that I mentioned because if these “plaques” as I’ll refer to them, were not parked in front of your store, then the space would be empty, it would not be filled with your customers, who are eager to purchase your wares.
Now if the signs were different, and were metered parking, then I would whole-heartedly endorse your position (see above) but as your customers can’t park there during those hours that you posted, I fail to see how your clientele is being affected, and how you are being affected.
More specifically, how are you being abused? How are your customers hurt? How is your bottom line affected? Your customers can’t park there after 8 am and before 6pm.
What if there were no metered parking on the street. What if it was alternate side parking? Do you think that the spaces in front of your store would be empty? Of course not. They would be MORE FILLED then they are now. Filled by you and your employees and by the people who live there, not by your customers (you can’t say to me that if you or your employees drove to work, and there was an non-metered spot in front of your store that you, or your employees would not be parked there ALL DAY. With no space for your customers. I seriously doubt you would force your employees to park in a garage. Oh, they would also be filled by the very court employees who park there now (if not more, like all the government employees at the municipal, state and federal who don‘t have plaques, as they get to work much earlier than most shoppers get up to go shopping. So, if the parking were “legal” it would be filled by you and yours, and by the very people who are there now plus a lot more.
Now, if there were metered parking, then perhaps that would improve the parking for your customers, which seems to be the thrust of your argument.
But I think that would be somewhat counter productive to the general argument of Transportation Alternatives, which seems to be advocating the opposite position that you are. They seem to want people to take public transportation (like I do) when they come into the city to work and shop, not drive into lower Manhattan during the weekday like you would suggest (I come to that conclusion because you want parking in front of your Crosby Street establishment from 8 am to 6pm - Mon. to Fri. [or, at least, your general complaints seem to be with court staff, and aside from criminal arraignments, court is closed nights and weekends]).
Wouldn’t the development you advocate (i.e. more shoppers driving in crowded lower Manhattan streets looking for parking to go shopping), be counter-productive to the very arguments advanced by this website?)
Again, just trying to narrow the issue a bit.
anonymous
Posted on Mon, Mar 19 2007 at 12:57 PM
What I'd like to see is equal enforcement of the law. If these cars are parked illegally or these court workers are abusing the intended use of these permits, tickets should be issued like they would for any regular citizen. There really is no gray area. If this is against the law, stop it. If it was the intention of the city to make this court worker parking they could put up signs to that effect.
The point is these workers could use public transportation, car pooling or find a way to work that would reduce congestion and pollution. If we could get 150,000 with permit abusing permits to stop driving 5 days a week the city and world will have a better future.
How many municipal workers live more than a few miles from their employment and need to drive to work? This city would have a better future if we could get these municipal workers to take public transportation. The problem is the rents/home prices have skyrocketed so high they cant afford to live within a reasonable distance and must drive from all reaches of the tristate region.
What is the alternative? Raises for these people? Not reasonable! I suggest free ridership. We could use more armed law enforcement in the subways and buses and these subways and buses are going that way anyway.
anonymous
Posted on Fri, Mar 23 2007 at 10:36 PM
This is not legal parking. The permit says he is on association business. This is a privately issued permit.
Better not catch him working his day job, or he could be locked up for fraud.
He'll be before the judge and not working with him.
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Posted on Sat, Mar 17 2007 at 12:49 PM
Permits are valid in “No Parking Anytime” and “No Parking” with specific hours, in “No Standing except Trucks Loading and Unloading” and (except for Press) at Meters.
Legal parking
Posted on Sat, Mar 17 2007 at 03:30 PM
On what basis do you assert that this is legal parking? What organization issues these placards and with what authority?
Posted on Sat, Mar 17 2007 at 05:16 PM
I guess this would be O.K. if by definition you would consider everyday you go to the office "Official Business" who knew court clerks where so important that by job description they can't use the train?
Posted on Sun, Mar 18 2007 at 11:07 AM
You have so many posts about Crosby Street, that I had to respond to them all, lest anyone out there misses our discussions under your post of “The hardiest commuters”, (which, by the way, has gotten a lot of responses since we have begun this discussion). As I’ve said elsewhere, you have very valid points with some respects (and I respect your opinion, unlike many of your fellow advocates I am not attacking anyone), but I think you raise some red herrings in others. I previously posted elsewhere:
“I think that in certain claims, your website has some valid objections, and some red herrings. This argument about this section of parking on Crosby street seems a bit disingenuous, at best. For example, the street depicted in this photo has the post from the user that says there is “No Parking” from “8am to 6pm”. So I suppose the question is this: If no one is allowed to park from 8 am to 6pm, how is this hurting you as residents or as business owners if a Court Officer, or Police Officer, or dog catcher parks there?
Of course I agree with the most important issue that your website has concerns over, namely safety issues like fire hydrants, cross walks, bike lanes and side walks. No one should park there for safety and emergency concerns. Also, I understand that on Baxter or Mulberry or similar streets, or anywhere there is metered parking, that this would be a problem for merchants, and I agree with that point. These civil servants should be more courteous on how they exercise the courtesies that they enjoy. What I disagree with is how someone with a parking plaque parking in an area where no one is supposed to park hurts anyone. It doesn’t take away a spot that we could park in, does it? Does it hurt a merchant? No. Does it hurt a resident? No. “
In response, you posted to me elsewhere:
“If you want to cry about the needs of the Court Officer, cry to the city to buy some real estate for a Court Officer parking lot, don't expect the abused neighborhood to tolerate this systematic and chronic problem. In this neighborhood these areas were once loading zones, and as the neighborhood has become more oriented around retail the needs for parking has only increased, and the needs for loading lessened. If we took the Court Officer's cars out of the equation, I believe that most traffic engineers and urban planners would say that this neighborhood needs some alternate side parking for residents,and mostly metered parking for Soho shoppers, along with loading zones. I think that this is what we will see in the end, because this will be better for residents, and better for businesses.”
I replied”
“I totally respect your opinion, and it would be nice if the city did buy parking for their employees like many cities do. But as I commented earlier I fully support the website‘s position with respect to safety issues, however, you posted that the sign says no parking from 8am to 6pm, so forgive me, but I don’t see how any vehicle with a parking plaque parking there affects your customers if they can’t park there during the hours in question. You are right that those “areas were once loading zones, and as the neighborhood has become more oriented around retail the needs for parking has only increased, and the needs for loading lessened”. It is a valid point.
But it is one of the red herrings that I mentioned because if these “plaques” as I’ll refer to them, were not parked in front of your store, then the space would be empty, it would not be filled with your customers, who are eager to purchase your wares.
Now if the signs were different, and were metered parking, then I would whole-heartedly endorse your position (see above) but as your customers can’t park there during those hours that you posted, I fail to see how your clientele is being affected, and how you are being affected.
More specifically, how are you being abused? How are your customers hurt? How is your bottom line affected? Your customers can’t park there after 8 am and before 6pm.
What if there were no metered parking on the street. What if it was alternate side parking? Do you think that the spaces in front of your store would be empty? Of course not. They would be MORE FILLED then they are now. Filled by you and your employees and by the people who live there, not by your customers (you can’t say to me that if you or your employees drove to work, and there was an non-metered spot in front of your store that you, or your employees would not be parked there ALL DAY. With no space for your customers. I seriously doubt you would force your employees to park in a garage. Oh, they would also be filled by the very court employees who park there now (if not more, like all the government employees at the municipal, state and federal who don‘t have plaques, as they get to work much earlier than most shoppers get up to go shopping. So, if the parking were “legal” it would be filled by you and yours, and by the very people who are there now plus a lot more.
Now, if there were metered parking, then perhaps that would improve the parking for your customers, which seems to be the thrust of your argument.
But I think that would be somewhat counter productive to the general argument of Transportation Alternatives, which seems to be advocating the opposite position that you are. They seem to want people to take public transportation (like I do) when they come into the city to work and shop, not drive into lower Manhattan during the weekday like you would suggest (I come to that conclusion because you want parking in front of your Crosby Street establishment from 8 am to 6pm - Mon. to Fri. [or, at least, your general complaints seem to be with court staff, and aside from criminal arraignments, court is closed nights and weekends]).
Wouldn’t the development you advocate (i.e. more shoppers driving in crowded lower Manhattan streets looking for parking to go shopping), be counter-productive to the very arguments advanced by this website?)
Again, just trying to narrow the issue a bit.
Posted on Mon, Mar 19 2007 at 12:57 PM
What I'd like to see is equal enforcement of the law. If these cars are parked illegally or these court workers are abusing the intended use of these permits, tickets should be issued like they would for any regular citizen. There really is no gray area. If this is against the law, stop it. If it was the intention of the city to make this court worker parking they could put up signs to that effect.
The point is these workers could use public transportation, car pooling or find a way to work that would reduce congestion and pollution. If we could get 150,000 with permit abusing permits to stop driving 5 days a week the city and world will have a better future.
Posted on Mon, Mar 19 2007 at 11:53 PM
How many municipal workers live more than a few miles from their employment and need to drive to work? This city would have a better future if we could get these municipal workers to take public transportation. The problem is the rents/home prices have skyrocketed so high they cant afford to live within a reasonable distance and must drive from all reaches of the tristate region.
What is the alternative? Raises for these people? Not reasonable! I suggest free ridership. We could use more armed law enforcement in the subways and buses and these subways and buses are going that way anyway.
Posted on Fri, Mar 23 2007 at 10:36 PM
This is not legal parking. The permit says he is on association business. This is a privately issued permit.
Better not catch him working his day job, or he could be locked up for fraud.
He'll be before the judge and not working with him.
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