HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE WASNT"T AN EMERGNECY!!?!?1111ONE!!?!

uhm, its a restricted permit

first cops get to defend themselves infront of a jury for doing there job,now this nonsence.summons them all and dont do anything else its not worth it

2late4nyc - it's called "accountability".

how can they investigate a particular car or permit if the plate of the car is not shown? why are they worried about the plate being shown? do they have other means of indentifying the legitimacy of a permit without the plate number?

The plates don't appear in the main photo, but if you go to submit a new violation, you can post the plate and permit info in the 2nd and 3rd photos.

Sure, why don't you post the plate number you can know where he/she lives and put him/her and his/her family in danger...sounds like a great idea.

Please make the info on NYPD restricted permits clearer and easier to find. It is probably the most commonly abused permit and you really have to wade through the site to learn that the blue permits are supposed to be only good at the precincts/commands.

There is nothing wrong with posting license plate numbers. That's why these cars have license plate numbers. Anybody walking by can see it. If you want to keep your police identity secret take off the police permit and park legally.

I have no intensions of ever parking legally whenever I am in NYC. It is a perk that has been in standard practice since the end of time. It is not the officer's fault that the NYPD does not supply enough legal parking for its workers. Where are the garages? This is the main reason police officers are given the NYPD parking plaques in the 1st place. I put my life on the line for the ungreatful liberal scum of this city and this is how they repay us. Screw you and you whining. I put up with this for over 20 yrs and now I am owed a certain perk. Yes, I am retired 2 yrs and yes I have a current parking plaque. I answer to no one now that I am retired and thanks to the brotherhood of blue I am assured that I can park anywhere I want with impunity. Every cop in the city is on the same page. We do not summons our own. Take as many pictures of my auto as you like because I answer to no one. God bless retirement and godbless the NYPD!

#10-Best promotion for the site I could imagine--thanks!

AS TO COMMENTER #10.
YOU SIR ARE THE REASON THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DISLIKE OFFICERS. YOU THINK BECAUSE YOU PUT IN 20 YEARS FOR WHICH, I AM SURE, YOU WERE HANDSOMELY PAID THE PUBLIC STILL OWES YOU.
YOU ARE WRONG. YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL THAT YOU ARE GETTING A NICE TAXPAYER, RETIREMENT CHECK, TOTAL HEALTH CARE AND LIFE INSURANCE.
WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU, ON THE PUBLIC PAYROLL, AND POLITICIANS, TEACHERS, AND FIREMEN BELIEVE THAT WE THEIR EMPLOYERS,SHOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR THEM A BENEFIT PACKAGE THAT MOST TAXPAYERS,YOUR EMPLOYER, CAN ONLY DREAM OF PROVIDING FOR THEIR OWN FAMILIES.
YOU ARE A SORRY EXCUSE FOR A PUBLIC SERVANT, BUT ACTUALLY A GOOD EXAMPLE OF MOST ALLEDGED PUBLIC SERVANTS.

Post#12
And there you have it..... the sole motivating factor in #12's posting is "Jealousy". So you are stuck in a private sector job that does not give you the same priveledges that a Firefighter or school teacher gets. Booo-hooo and here is tissue for your issues. The fact still remains that these police officers are our 1st responders that are strategically situated between trouble and yourself. You call 911 whenever you have the slightest problem and you expect them to handle your trivial problems as if they were some sort of walking antibiotic. Do we not owe these workers some sort of debt for their thankless work? I frankly do not care if they double park in a "SELF-ENFORCEMENT" area. These 2 words say it all. They are allowed to park as they wish in this zone because they are our front line responders.

My son is a police officer and I respect what he does for this city. He is owed a certain level of gratitude and if that means that we have to turn a blind eye just because he is within his "SELF ENFORCEMENT ZONE, then so be it. How quickly we forget how these heroes stepped up on 911. Instead of chastizing them for parking illegally why don't you try saluting them and thanking them for being those select few who have the balls to step up when the average citizen runs away.

This site sickens me and I totally support the fact that officers of this city should be allowed to benefit from an unwritten perk even after retirement. We owe them that much and more.

As for a select group of city workers gettimg benefits for life, well all I can say is take the next civil service exam and then you too can enjoy the best retirement package in all of nyc. They put in the time and sure as hell deserve the benefits of their retirement package.

P.S I retired from FDNY 15 yrs now.

Sure, speak your mind, even in a respectful way against the NYPD and get called scum and a liberal which btw, are interchangeable insults with cops. The problem is that cops don’t issue the same courtesy, professional and respect that they would like to be on the receiving end of from the tax-paying public. Yes even us so called liberals pay taxes. I get more tickets for traffic violations etc. (which I pay, because I am guilty most of the time) from the same cops that cruise through lights, park at hydrants, double park outside restaurants, and take up all of the available parking spots at the local Starbucks all day long with impunity just because it is located across the street from my precinct. These guys never let you off with just a warning anymore and have a bad attitude to boot if you attempt to defend yourself. You want fairness and respect? Try earning it. BTW, I can’t speak for everyone, but I think the NYPD has a thankless low paying job, but that is no excuse for taking out your frustrations on the general public. After all it’s a job & you picked it. This is America, you shouldn’t have the right to intimidate and bully people just because you are a poorly paid civil servant. Consider acting with CPR as opposed to just riding around in cars with those letters painted on them.

Ummmmmm....Before anyone else posts please take the time to look up the definition of "Self Enforcement Zone". If I am correct, this poster is complaining about a police officer parking on a hydrant that is in the Self Enforcemet Zone. Sorry to burst you bubble, but if indeed this in this zone then the commanding officer gives his blessing for such acts. Not to mention that the people who enforce the parking regulations in this zone are the very police that are parking on the hydrant. Realistically, your gripe is falling on deaf ears. Nothing will come of this and of that I am 100% sure.

This whining is getting out of hand. I recommend you ditch the 20 cats in your house and remove the tinfoil hat perched upon your brow. Try dating and getting yourself a mate.

I think many people involved in taking sides on this issue are missing a fundamental point. Law enforcement is predicated on the concept that laws protect the common good. It's not a police offer's right, or anyone's right, to choose which laws to obey. If you don't agree with the law, then take action to pressure legislters to change the law. The retired police officer in post #10 feels that his public service has provided him with the ability (and right) to choose which laws he'll obey and which he'll break. Where are we to draw the line for that kind of behavior? Which other laws does he have the right to disregard? We certainly have plenty for him to choose from. If developing a career as a public servant doesn't provide enough legal compensation, then don't go into the line of work. 20 years later, your bitterness sounds like sour grapes - you certainly have earned our respect for your service, but you haven't earned the right to break whichever laws you choose. Surrender your illegal parking permit today, and start living like the rest of us - within the law.

Last I heard, emergency vehicles(patrol cars) are allowed to park where ever they can. It is the nature of the job, but since most liberals are so anti-cop perhaps next time I respond to an emergency call I will make sure to stop at every redlight and to take the time to find legal parking just before I rush up to your apartment and stop that criminal from assaulting you. If I am lucky I might catch the bad guy. HAHAHAHA!

Thanks for pointing out my flaws and I am sure that your recommendations will be taken into account the next time I respond to a call.

Where do this liberal morons come from?

What does expecting all our citizens to obey the law have to do with being a "liberal"? Assuming cops are dedicated to enforcing the law, by your definition, they're all "liberals."

Do you have more info on that self enforcement zone? I'm not sure that this location is one.

Because a car has a self-enforcement zone permit, that doesn't mean the vehicle is using it in the zone.

We're trying to get all the self-enforcement zone information so that it is clear to the public where those areas are.

So, next time you need a COP...call a meter maid...

Enough about heroes and enough about the debt an ungrateful public owes to the protectors of this great city. This website may have the tendency to become excessive, as all websites do at one point or another, but it highlights a flaw in the policing of NYC.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but the NYPD represents law enforcement. And while I like to think that the majority of our police force are mature, responsible and dedicated people, I happen to have experienced crap from officers who think that by donning the blue uniform, they are elevated just that little bit closer to God and the rest of the public are just ungrateful souls who ought to prostrate ourselves before each and every officer. Sad indeed, for one's self-esteem to be determined by a uniform.

Post #10 reeks of elitism and resentment. I hope that the NYPD is not some fraternity where brotherhood comes before the mission behind the police force in the first place - enforce the laws, preserve the peace, reduce fear, and provide for a safe environment. (Sounds familiar? Check out http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/mission.html) To think you have the audacity to say "I have no intention of parking legally". Well, I have but one question - just how old are you? And no, I don't mean your chronological age. Regardless, boy am I glad you are retired.

Post #13, so we, the private sector public, suffer from jealousy? I happen to enjoy my private sector job immensely and it is precisely the dissatisfied civil servants who think it necessary to claim what you call "unwritten perks". You like to talk about debt so let's do that. I agree appreciation is in short supply in the city but hey, whatever motivated you to become a firefighter in the first place, or your son to become a police officer surely isn't the hope that the public will idolize you? So why do you demand that? On top of that, because you feel unappreciated, you decide it is fine to break the law or to create some fringe benefit/perk/whatever-you-like-to-call-it to supplement your measly pay?

Just because you represent law enforcement does not give you the right to break the law. Tell me, you'd been in the FDNY and from my own personal experience in the Marines, how does one get respect? I learned to earn, not demand respect through my actions. So there, I have nothing against the retirement package that civil servants get but I believe the people here are upset that our professed law enforcement officers find it necessary to break the law because they deserve it. You don't deserve anything because no one forced you to become a cop. Rather, when you chose to become a cop, you gained the ability to earn the public's respect and to do the force proud. So do that and respect the law you pledged to enforce.

"self enforcement zone"

This is an area that encompasses the local precinct which is designated a no fly zone by any other ticket issuing entity. Within this zone the officers of that particular command are allowed to use any space available with impunity. The past poster was correct when he stated that the commanding officer of each command gives his blessing to such illegal acts. Parking spaces are extremely limited and the reason that these zones exist is for the purpose of granting officers an area to park without any ramifications.

The original poster states clearly that this is in front of a precinct. If this is the case, his complaint will and should fall on deaf ears. The zone is what it is. If the poster does not like the conditions within his/her area then she/he should move out of the zone. Parking spaces in the zone are prioritized. Police officers take preference over the citizens within this zone. That's life so suck it up.

It is sad but a necessary truth.

So parking in front of a fire hydrant for an entire tour is OK?

well, the map indicated 49th a 6th... but the location says 23 pct, which is 102 and 3rd or thereabouts... not sure what command covers 49th and 6th, but its definitely not the 23

Wouldn't it be ironic if the precinct was on fire, but the FDNY was unable to get to the hydrants because the Commanding Officer authorized parking in front of hydants?

So parking in front of a Fire Hydrant is not illegal? nor a safety hazard?

well, its okay if you don't mind FD breaking your windows to run a hose thru your front seat...

most commands allow encroachment on the pumps within the self enforcement zone but require adequate room be left for FD to use the pump.

i've seen cops take hits for parking like this in a self enforcement zone and lose vacation time for it

OK, it's not illegal.
But is it a Safety Hazard? will lives be lost when time is of the essence?

Admin note: People, stop with the personal insults. I'm re-posting the former post #29, because there are some great points, but I'm taking all the insults out. Please do the same with your own posts!!

POSTER #21:
"On top of that, because you feel unappreciated, you decide it is fine to break the law or to create some fringe benefit/perk/whatever-you-like-to-call-it to supplement your measly pay?"

I resent your entire posting but especially the above statement because it wreaks of jealousy. I am a Firefighter as well. Let me educate you on a little known fact. I can retire after 20 yrs of service at 1/2 pay with full medical. In the private sector that is practically unheard of these days. Furthermore, I only work 2 days a week if I am lucky. I work straight around the clock and while I am on the clock I am allowed to watch t.v and sleep. Isn't that grand? Oh, and did I mention that I have a full time job I work along with this city job as well. I do construction the other 4 days of the week. Take out your calculator and do the math. I have a great retirement package, I work 2 days tops a week for the city, I have a full time 2nd job and I save lives. Last I heard firefighters are heroes, bro.

I bet your bottom dollar that you would not call my pay measly. I am willing to wager your next unemployment check that a typical firefighter makes more money than you on any given year and works less to boot.

Bravo Post 29.

While your egos are amusing, you are missing the point: enforcement of all permits is a security issue. If all the terrorists need to do is photocopy a parking permit, we are not safe. Enforce all and protect all. Let's not get caught with our pants down again...

I'd bet dollars to donuts that wasn't a FF posting that... they like to keep their perks to themselves.

All I know is I work 5 days a week, days off constantly changing, hrs constantly bouncing around and eat a fair portion of my meals in the front seat of my patrol car... i obviously chose the wrong job

If the police - active or retired - deliberately flout the law, do they expect ordinary citizens to trust and respect them?

After browsing this site and the comments for several days and reading the NY Times Metro section article on 3/22/2007 I am more upset than ever before. There has to be a better way to reduce car traffic in New York than "outing" parking plaques on civil servants cars. Especially vital services like police, fire, and court employees. What is even worse is that when we park legally we are taking spots away from you! You are cutting off your nose to spite your face!!!
HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT
That is Idiotic!!!!

I need to be able to park my car near my command. I don't block hydrants, crosswalks, or busstops, noone should. I do put the wheels on the sidewalk NOT close off the sidewalk. I may be there 8 hours on a normal day. I could be there 20 hours if I have an arrest a mobilization or a or unusual case.
I need to park the car near the command in a secure spot and do my job without worrying about the car. I can't take public transportation because of the service and route changes at 2 and 3 a.m. when I get off of work. Some bus lines are not even running. At that time in the morning it takes me 2 hours 10 minutes to get home but only 30 minutes by car.
Why don't you go after the MTA!!
On 9/11 all the busses and subways into Manhattan were shut down. How were the cops and firemen supposed to get to work then???
You guys have to think this through.
What is even worse is you censor the site!!! There is not a true debate you remove postings that argue for you to change or moderate your approach. It is a private site (hmmm...you are a not for profit) maybe you can do what you want with it, but you are not fair!

Is there something else behind this? This is animus, What are you really angry about??? Let's talk this out.

You need to be carefull about what you are starting here. There are a whole lot of laws on the books we don't enforce due to tradition and because social norms have changed. What if we handcuffed everyone for smoking a joint or not cleaning up after their dog, and put them through the system, instead of giving summonses. Do you really want to turn all of New York City into a Total Enforcement Zone? If you do I know where to start....West 26th.

More trivial humbug.

The officer is on his home court. Permission is granted to park there by his supervisors.

Your wasting your insignificant time.

End of story.

What happened? Can't post

These anti-NYPD commentors are obvious soft on crime--like our junior senator.

Poster #39 says:
As for FDNY with 2 jobs - jealousy? Seriously, 80k & having to work 2 jobs, that’s nothing to write home about. Double that and we can talk.

Obviously you do not realize how much a firefighter or a construction supervisor makes in a yr. I am a construction worker and and I work about 5 days a week and I make about 120K a yr. Our hourly rates are astronomical. I have a firefire friend who who makes about 90K a yr from his city job and he only works about 2 days a week. Just by simply doing the math I can confirm that one individual working both jobs can easily make over 200K a yr. Now that is nothing to sneeze at. Your 80K figure is only thown out there in order to make yourself feel better.
Your cooment is extremely ignorant and only further bolsters the fact that the preppy folk on this juvenile site are only out to hurt the average city worker mainly because they dare to make more than the average citizen of NYC or dare to flaunt their parking priveldges.

A. Learn to spell.
B. 120k doesn’t even cover my base salary let alone what I make with bonus.
C. Not all NY’ers are yuppies or jealous of NYPD or FDNY& their risky, low-paying, bureaucratic jobs. We just want to be treated fairly & respect - just like you. Time to get over yourself.

The Commanding officer doesn't have the authority to allow hydrant parking.