E.V. restricted permits can be used in other command's self enforcement zones... officers transfered mid year, or on temporary assignment to another command are not issued new permits. They are instructed to use the old permit until the new year.

I have no idea where the self enforcement zone is in this case so i can't comment on that.

While I no longer drive into the city because of the high cost of parking, I do think that the focus should be put on the city managers. Why do they continue to build facilities that do not factor in parking for their poorly paid employees? Is it because they don't care or they don't want to spend the money????

From what the papers have reported these guys/gals are paid next to nothing and have to live within a certain proximity to NYC but are not paid enough to be able to afford to live in Manhattan.

I don't get it - it seems like a self fulfilling cluster---. The big cheeses of course are protected because they use either drivers, or designated spaces in lots or garages, so no one notices that perk, because all the little guys are fighting over parking spaces.

Precisely. Now it's time for all the little guys to band together and demand a change.

So maybe the cop had to go to Court. Is he expected to pay for parking when he goes to Court on official business? Do you pay for travel out of your own pocket when your employer sends you out of town or to a different location. Gimme a break!

Anon 6:06, I do pay out of my own pocket, and then get reimbursed. Are you telling me a cop who can afford that big an SUV can't front a few bucks for the meter?

Also, if the cop is on official business, why is he or she using a personal vehicle? And Kew Gardens is just half an hour from Midtown on the F train - with the free Metrocard.

Finally, Anon 4:14 - Lots of us have gotten squeezed out of Manhattan. But there are plenty of affordable places to live within a short subway ride from Manhattan. Many more neighborhoods were affordable ten or fifteen years ago. Why don't more cops live in Woodside or Carroll Gardens? Too many non-white people?

Well, in my opinion there is way too much N/S Commercial Vehicle loading and unloading parking in this city. How many of those commercial vehicles are parked there for the whole day... most of them it would seem. Rarely do i see any activity around them.

Turning half of those spots into muni-meters would do wonders for the people of this city and generate some revenue.

Lets not talk affordable prices in this city... i could never afford to buy in my neighborhood these days... middle class outer borough neighborhood where 2 family homes are going for 750k in a slow real estate market... imagine of the market was moving

I've done many court trips in my POV... personally owned vehicle... there is a shortage of RMPs in the precincts so no desk officer is going to allow a cop to take one to court. Kew Gardens is the Criminal Court for all of Queens, which means bus to bus to bus in some circumstances. You sign in at your precinct and then report to court... and you better not be late.

The job is not going to give you overtime to come in early so you can take 3 buses to court.

We do no get reimbursed for our gas, let alone our parking fees.

It takes years for some cases to go to trial. A cop who made an arrest in queens 2 years ago may now work in manhattan... when the case comes up you go to court in queens.

As I've said before... the command on the restricted parking permit doesn't mean much when a cop can change commands at the whim of the dept.

I don't think that all the do gooders who made up this site realize this. There are quite a number of city worker's personal cars who are authorized for official use. So with all the ranting about too many parking plaques out there, it's possible productivity might be lessened. Perhaps a city worker drives his authorized personal vehicle into work and uses it on official business and actually gets more work done.

Why cant civil servants take public transit just like everyone else?
Police even get to use it for free.

I've explained before but these threads are hard to search.

When i had a nice desk job, working days and guaranteed not to be making an arrest (and therefore unscheduled overtime)I frequently took mass transit. If there was a problem with my train and I was running late my tour could be changed easily.

When working evenings on patrol I could not afford to be late... if i'm late there's a patrol car that does not go out on the street until I arrive... that's a danger to the community i serve and my fellow officers. If I make an arrest i'll be working overtime and will be expected to return the next morning for court... i can't make that turn around via mass transit.

Those cops working days (especially those inside) will have a better opportunity to take mass transit. Those working other tours it is not so simple (I remember as a rookie taking the bus to a train, switching trains and then another bus - one outer borough to another - i got off at 2 am and was lucky to be home before the sun came up) Falling asleep on a train with a gun on your waist isn't safe for anyone.

The cops I know that take mass transit invariably work in a inside position (house mouse). The drive in the dept is to take as many of these inside positions away from cops and put them on the streets. Maybe the push should be to take the cops off the streets and put them back on a desk? This last part is a joke... i don't think the public would really want this

As an additional aside, you can't live in the precinct you work in... very few cops will ever have the opportunity to walk or bike to work.

Very thought provoking, Musha. As always you make a good case for why this is not a simple problem.

When private companies (mostly in Manhattan) do the math though, they almost never provide parking for their employees, no matter how weird the schedules are (and lots of people work overtime and have unpredictable schedules). And they similarly don't want to see their employees fall asleep on trains with briefcases or portfolios. Instead, when given the choice of buying parking on the market or encouraging employees to use transit, they choose transit + car service for unusual situations.

Given the hours you guys work, this might run to some tall money. But the unbounded use of permits is also costly -- it just doesn't show up as a budget line item for NYPD.

To the extent that people are upset about permit parking as a question of resource allocation, it's because the agencies, including the NYPD, never have to sit down and do the math. They just issue more permits. Cops give permits to their friends. They turn a blind eye to visitors with lots of LE stickers from other states, union-printed placards, etc. There's no incentive to look at alternatives, and no constraint on the practice.

I don't think anyone here has challenged the concept of the SEZs around the precincts, either. The objection has been to the lack of "E" in the SEZs -- for instance, they're not intended to be zones of utter disregard for safety rules. And it may make sense to plan out larger areas in some places. But it should be done transparently, based on documented justification, with the participation of DOT and the neighborhood. There should be some downward pressure, so that your managagement has some incentive to look at alternatives.

Salguod... cops do not give permits to friends... one per cop per year... insurance and any fines on the vehicle the permit is issued to must be up to date before new permit is issued... old permit must be turned in for new permit... failure to do so will result in forfeiture of some vacation time (that is basically a cash fine... as my time off is worth money).

Permits do get lost by cops during the year. Some get stolen from our personal vehicles. It is generally (not always) these permits that fall into non-nypd hands. If a permit is to be used as as a template for forgeries, it is usually a stolen permit.

If i so much as loan by permit to a family member of friend and they get stopped by an officer i'm looking at a loss of 10 vacation days minimum. As just about every officer i've worked with questions any driver they observe and don't recognize using a restricted permit in their SEZ i can't think of many officers that would take the risk (note i said driver... as in parking your car in a SEZ in front of uniformed cops from that command... i myself was confronted my first day in a new command)

As a firefighter previously stated in another thread, their dept issued permit looks so bad that nypd traffic issues summonses despite the permit. Firefighters use their union issued "permits" of which they get two. Why they need two I don't know, as they can only drive one vehicle at a time.

I've yet to see an illegally parked car in this city not get a summons because someone placed a pba or other union card on their dash. There are so many of those cards being sold on ebay it is not even funny.

Oh, and there is a difference between loosing a briefcase / portfolio and losing a gun... the former is an inconvenience, the later is life threatening. I've known one cop shot with his own weapon because he fell asleep and the wrong time and place... his weapon was never recovered and is still out there to injure others or claim lives... that briefcase or portfolio, tho it may be a significant investment of time and / or money does not carry that same risk.

Our transit system would also be safer if more off duty police used it.
Millions of people need to be at their job on time and work various hours and they use mass transit and dont illegally park.

nycitizen - I'm sure it would be if you expected those off-duty police to enforce the transit rules... we won't be tho... i'm not telling the troublemakers to stop smoking, take just one seat, turn off their radio, stop making so much noise, pick up their trash, etc... when i'm not working, have no radio i'm and not getting paid. no good can come of it... i can get sued, get a civilian complaint, get my outnumbered butt handed to me... and not get paid for it.

if my tour started from the moment i left my house, if i had a radio and vest and was indemnified i'd be all for it...

so no, off duty cops riding the trains won't make you any safer

and despite the impression this site gives, the number of officers that illegally park (especially outside the Self Enforcement Zones) is pretty small... a small but very noticeable minority.

i drive to work and i park legally. that is my choice. my daily bridge and tunnel tolls subsidize you train or bus ride.

last i checked this site was about correcting the abuse by certain civil servants of their parking permits. it is not about making those civil servants take mass transit.

Off duty like Del Debbio squeezing off 4 shots with his eyes closed in a crowded subway, shooting the plainclothes in the back?

What if the stolen briefcase had a gun in it?

If the above SUV was on duty, the expired/ out of zone permit and no parking sign is allowed, this one gets a pass.

Hard to tell if it's a clown with a stolen, lost or gifted old card, or an on duty.

If this is really a cop who had to drive his personal vehicle to Queens to go to court for an old arrest, then shouldn't the administrators of this site be ashamed of themselves?

Driver was probably hanging out at the Austin Ale House, a well known cop bar.
I wonder if the officer drove home after a couple of drinks too.

When asked why don't I take public transportation to work, my response is "because I don't want to and who are you to ask."