Youth Center Permit in Curb Cut

Observed by Salguod on Sat, Mar 24 2007

So, first of all, this car is blocking half of the entrance to a parking lot.

Second of all, it seems to be a new type of bogus or at best quasi-legitimate permit, for "Youth D.A.R.E.S. - 61st Precinct Youth Center."

We don't seem to have a violation item for this situation, per NYC Parking Rules 4-08(f)(2), which defines as a no standing area:

(2) Driveways. In front of a public or private driveway, except that it shall be permissible for the owner, lessor or lessee of the lot accessed by a private driveway to park a passenger vehicle registered to him/her at that address in front of such driveway, provided that such lot does not contain more than two dwelling units and further provided that such parking does not violate any other provision of the Vehicle and Traffic Law or local law or rule concerning the parking, stopping or standing of motor vehicles. The prohibition herein shall not apply to driveways that have been rendered unusable due to the presence of a building or other fixed obstruction and, therefore, are not being used as defined in section 4-01(b) of these rules.

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anonymous

Posted on Sat, Mar 24 2007 at 05:07 PM

I do not see why you have a picture of my car on this website when clearly nothing was in violation of the law

lawandorder

Posted on Sat, Mar 24 2007 at 05:19 PM

#1 - You parked in front of a driveway. That's illegal, as noted in the original post.

Salguod

Posted on Sat, Mar 24 2007 at 05:44 PM

The driveway is hard to see (shows up better on 2nd pic w/license plate, not public), and people could still get in or out (on Sat. it's closed to the public, but not to monthly parkers).

But still, it's a no standing area. It's a definite ticket.

In other news, my wife had long thought that any curb cut -- even one that couldn't be used any more because of a fence, building, etc. -- was still no standing. Good to know that the rules are slightly more sensible than that.

anonymous

Posted on Sat, Mar 24 2007 at 06:40 PM

you can clearly see the black van across the street blocking the drive ways good job..

Salguod

Posted on Sat, Mar 24 2007 at 06:52 PM

Great, you've got the address, you can go take that picture.

anonymous

Posted on Sat, Mar 24 2007 at 07:14 PM

MODERATOR: PLEASE FIX THIS POST, the sign in question is "No Standing NYSJ Mon-Fri 7 am to 7 pm. There is no violation here regarding the signage as one would be led to believe.

The lot has access on the weekends? I guess you have a key, this is locked in this photo. As you stated in your post, "The prohibition herein shall not apply to driveways that have been rendered unusable due to the presence of a building or other fixed obstruction and, therefore, are not being used as defined in section 4-01(b) of these rules." I have a feeling a locked gate may be considered a fixed obstruction.

http://photos.uncivilservants.org/1/post/d/orig_1434.jpeg

anonymous

Posted on Sat, Mar 24 2007 at 07:21 PM

Fraudulent permit? If i throw a pizza box in the widow of my car and park it near the local pizzaria. Dollars to donuts (no pun intended) I wouldnt get a summons.
Would you consider this illegal/fraudulent permit?

I can believe on a beautiful Saturday afternoon you have nothing better to do than to walk around downtown Brooklyn taking pictures of cars and looking for a confrontation.

You wouldnt be j_on_state street would you?

Salguod

Posted on Sat, Mar 24 2007 at 07:30 PM

1. It's "invalid permit" not "fraudulent permit." It looked to me like an attempt to use that permit as a permit (not a "pizza box") to avoid getting a ticket for parking in a curb cut.

2. The violation is parking at a curb cut to a parking lot, not the signage. The gate opens and shuts, and is not an obstruction. And, as I pointed out, monthly parkers can enter and exit on the weekends. We don't have an option for "curb cut," so I picked something close -- the NYC Parking Rules (which I quoted) say that a curb cut is a no standing area.

3. I agree it's not one of the more egregious abuses I've seen; it's very unlikely we'll do any follow up on it. It's easy to miss the curb cut or assume the lot is completely closed, as I pointed out earlier in a comment. I happened to be walking by, and found three in a row, and thought I'd take some quick pictures. I also thought it would be fun to hear the back story on the permit, which is one of the more bogus ones I've seen.

musha

Posted on Sat, Mar 24 2007 at 07:38 PM

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Salguod... his parking might not be legal, but that permit would be valid only in the youth center's lot, if there is one

stupid is as stupid does

anonymous

Posted on Sat, Mar 24 2007 at 11:30 PM

Any permit abuse that would result in a summons for a non permit user is fair game. If it's done to civillians, your claiming to be a hero is not a valid defense for permit abuse.

anonymous

Posted on Mon, Mar 26 2007 at 12:39 AM

The 61 is Coney Island, no?

anonymous

Posted on Tue, Mar 27 2007 at 02:36 PM

61 is Sheepshead Bay. Coney is 60.

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