I suggest you sent a copy of the photo allhe information youcan provide., plate number, permot number etc and a link to this site and the post to:

Margaret Forgione
manhattan Borough Commissioner
NYC Department of Transportaion
59 Maiden Lane
35th Floor
New York. NY 10038

Why are my posts of the press vehicles that are illegally parked not showing? Are you guys hiding the fact your friends at channel 2 dont practice what they preach?

We are only approving clear-cut cases. The picture you provided, without permit information, showed people unloading a commercial van while double parked (see NYC Traffic Rules for why this is usually legal). Take a picture of them (a) parked illegally, (b) with a permit.

And they give out summonses mercilessly but park like this.

Must be a long way downtown on the subway for this guy, but then he'd only park it in a hydrant there.

So, yesterday (SUNDAY) on Ocean Avenue at Liniclon Rd there were 15+ cars double-parked. They were double-parked because the owners were attending church services. They were double-parked from at least 1pm until at least 4pm.

Can I post those photos on this site?

Also, these cars put "permits" in their windows which read that they were attending church services and if the person they were blocking needed to get out they could come inside the church and tell someone and they would move the offending car.

Question - could I double-park my car nearby and put a sign in the window saying that I was at my friends apartment and that if they need me to move, they could buzz his buzzer? Do you think that would work?

Also, do you think that if I got a ticket or towed for double-parking while the other cars (whose owners were in church) didn't get ticket or towed, do you think I could sue the city for not giving me the same civil rights as a church going person? Isn't there supposedly a separationof church and state? If the state favors the church and discriminates against the non-church going public by treating them differnet, then I think there is some basis of a lawsuit here!

Your advice!

The same thing used to happen in Park Slope all the time when the Brooklyn Tabernacle was up there. I would routinely have to get cars towed to get my car out. On one day they just sent an army of towers over and removed like a dozen cars from Sterling Place alone. Good times.

I always had wanted to print up little cards that said "Double park and go to hell" on them to put under their windshields, but they moved to Downtown Brooklyn before I got throughly annoyed enough.

you know, the city one time sending over an army of towers does not make up for the inconvenience and saftey hazard that these church violators bring about each and every Sunday!

I even had a Darwin Fish www.prankplace.com/darwinfish.htm on the back of my car and they ripped it off and glued bible images on my rear bumper!

Just wondering if we can post pics of the religious parking abusers here on this website?

parking rules do not get enforced at most religious services or funeral homes when there is a service. that is a courtesy

i don't think we need pics of their cars - it isn't going to change the courtesy that is given to them.

i don't have either a darwin fish or a jesus fish on the back of my car

i'm sorry someone messed with your car, but the guilt does not apply to anyone but the person(s) that committed the offense.

Furthermore, the police by extending that courtesy, are basically doing the samething as allowing permit abuse. It is one and the same, turning a blind eye for one reason or another.

Dispicable.

#18 - Let me know the next time the non-believers have a service and i'll make sure to extend the courtesy

even atheists have funerals... there may not be a religious service, but friends and relatives do pay their respects... i know, i've been to one... tastefully done and no hint of a higher being.

anyhow, you are missing the point to this site

Oh I have no problem when there is a funeral or weddings, because yeah, even atheists have funerals and weddings. But a normal Sunday clogged up with double-parked cars going to a regular Sunday church service is a different story. You extend a "courtesy" to these folks but not to the press, whose pictures of news vans parking on sidewalks have been posted here nad not deleted? I don't get it. Furthermore, these people attending the church service put "permits" in their window, obviously bogus since they weren't issued by any government agency. I'd say that is permit abuse, not unlike the hot dog lady vendor which was posted.

Now, like I have stated, if I park my car next to these church goers and get a ticket for double-parking because I am not attending these church services (these aren't funerals or weddings) then I guess I am being singled out due to my non-faith. So, yeah, when I want to go over to my friends apartment and play XBox and there aren't parking spaces, I'll notify you.

We'll see exactly what the separation of church and state really is all about.

As for missing the point of this site, well it states, "Many government agencies and offices issue parking permits to select employees."

Hot dog vendors and news vans aren't employees of any government agency last I checked.

the only signs i ever see in cars for a service is the funeral service signs... they place "funeral" signs in the cars parked that are awaiting the funeral procession.

If you double parked with a bunch of church goers no one would know or care... until the service was over and you had somebody blocked in... then you might have an issue.

Some neighborhoods allow double parking on street cleaning days... others do not. Mine doesn't, and its a hassle. I don't begrudge those where the tradition allows for double parking on these days. Whether they can double park or not doesn't help me, and since my neighborhood never had the tradition I've lost nothing.

this site is about permit abuse, nothing else as effnt streets has pointed out many times.

Hence, illegally parked permit abusers will be targeted press, clergy, NYPD, court officer, corrections etc., etc..

Press gets a permit, hot dog ladies don't

Funerals and maybe weddings should bend the rules but regular services should find parking.

If the NYPD "permits" these vehicles to double-park on Sundays as a courtesy thrn that is permit abuse.

Especially since the NYPD doesn't "permit" people to double-park on Sundays unless they are going to church.

Where is the separation of church and state?

In Kensington, Brooklyn some of the community is up in arms about Sunday church parking, but they don't say a word about Yeshiva parking problems that occur 6 days a week. The Church goers double park and park on the sidewalk on Sunday afternoon. The yeshivas do the same thing 7am to 11pm 6 days aweek. So who is the hypocrite?

#28 wrote: "So who is the hypocrite?"

The NYPD, that's who.

Well, this has gone way off topic... send a letter to the papers or you city councilman or both if church parking is an issue for you.

I never got upset at church parkers and I'm not much of a church goer... i'm lucky if I find my way once a year. That being said, church parkers never upset me... just like people that live in neighborhoods where they can double park on street cleaning days don't upset me... it doesn't effect me... their parking doesn't hinder me or help me, and taking away the tradition would neither help nor hinder me.

I understand getting upset at civil servants that abuse their parking privileges, but this other crapolla sounds more like jealousy then anything else.

Sa far as the Yeshiva comments, I suspect the abuse runs deeper as was seen in the Gavin Cato case.

Not only was the Rebbi getting a code 3 escort to the wife's cemetary plot, the driverof the last car that ran the light and pinned the kid was allowed to escape to Israel and not extradited.

Not only that, the first ambulance on scene took the driver away, leaving the por kid unaided, although that was claimed to be for the driver's safety against an angry crowd. Should have taken them both.

The abuse only starts with the parking in some areas. At least the chruch gets out after a couple of hours on Sunday

And don't give me the anti-semite stuff. My stepfather had a number from Aushwitz.

musha writes: "... just like people that live in neighborhoods where they can double park on street cleaning days don't upset me... it doesn't effect me... their parking doesn't hinder me or help me, and taking away the tradition would neither help nor hinder me."

So, if it doesn't effect you it doesn't bother you, that's nice. I'd say there are plenty of people who this bothers and inconveniences. Of course their double-parking doesn't help you, when does double-parking help anyone except the double-parker?

Tradition? Give me a break. One could argue that civil servants commiting permit abuse is tradition. It's probably been going on as long as people have been double-parking for church. Why can't people take taxis or mass transit to church?

The whole thing smells of discrimination no matter how you stir it.

Oh, and I contacted the NYACLU and they said I had a case.

Oh, as an aside, these traditions are primarily in minority neighborhoods... just so you know the primary targets of your "case".

I doubt there will be much effort to address either the churches or the Yeshiva... I will be very surprised if the Yeshiva is even addressed.

Then again, live long enough and you are bound to be surprised at some point ;)

This ain't a racial issue, but it's not unlike a cop to make it into one. Anyway, these minorities, who have been complaining about equality for years, should practice what they preach - equality for all under the laws of the city and the laws of God.

The city could make some money here, I don;t see what the problem is, either tciket equally and fairly or don't ticket at all.

This isn't an issue of the separation of church and state, but its not unlike an atheist to make it into one (generalizations are the lazy man's way of making an argument, aren't they? ;)

I'm not making it a racial issue... just stating where these traditions generally are... lower income minority areas... many of these areas have block upon block of churches. That is the truth.

You want them ticketed since you perceive the religious are getting a perk that you aren't... correct me if i'm wrong, but that seems to be your argument.

As I stated earlier, if you double parked in the same location for the same hours the others were parked you would not face a summons either. So, your argument that they wouldn't get a summons and you would for the same "violation" at the same place and time doesn't hold water. You don't want to double park there tho... you just don't want church goers double parking there.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one. In any case, this issue is not the point of this website.

OK, we will test your theory, are you willing to pay for my ticket and towing if you are wrong? I will double-park there for the same hours that the church goers double-park there. I will put a sign in my window saying that "If needed, I will move my car and I can be found in apt ..."

Now, let's see how fair the law, and those who enforce it, really are.

And yes, I do not want the church goers to double park because it is a safety issue as well, people do have to go around these cars, often into the oncoming lane to do so.

And yes, it is an issue of the separation of church and state. The state should not care what the person is doing if they are breaking the law, they are breaking the law. Just because they are in church does not mean they are not breaking the law and shoudl not be ticketed. If the state is going to treat people who do not go to church differently than those who do, then yes, it is an issue.

So, this weekend or next (Easter) we will see how the police reacts. You got my back?

This DOT vehicle could be assigned to a NYC DOT worker who lives in Sty Town and could be on 24 hour call to respond to any street/highway related emergencies that might come up. The driver is not blocking the street and is not posing a safety hazard. Don't be so quick to judge him after all parking is very tough in that area and the DOT employee needs that City vehicle close to proved vital service for the public. Thank you.