Abuse of NO STANDING FIRE ZONE

Observed by traktorist on Fri, Mar 23 2007

"NO STANDING FIRE ZONE" was never meant to offer private parking for firefighters' personal vehicles. Yet this is how this area in Duane Street is used today. And even though it is just around the corner from City Hall, no one bothers to enforce the law. Some firefighters park on the sidewalk, others double park. In short - FDNY shows contempt for law.

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Salguod

Posted on Tue, Mar 27 2007 at 12:53 PM

Admin Note: Please add pictures of the plate and permit as pictures #2 and #3. They will not be displayed publicly, but are essential to follow up.

traktorist

Posted on Tue, Mar 27 2007 at 01:28 PM

Great post, BlueTrumpet. I guess you went to check that no one abuses the no standing zone at Duane Street? These same abuses continue today. Firefighters double park their private vehicles in NO STANDING zone. Maybe you have 0 credibility?

Firehouse neighbor

Posted on Tue, Mar 27 2007 at 02:10 PM

The only people who think this site has zero credibility are the firefighters who also think they are owed a free parking spot right outside their firehouse. Now their deeds are in the public eye for all New Yorkers to see. As someone who lives near a firehouse I can say that 90% of the firefighters park in their designated reserved spots but it is the 10% who think they are better than the people they serve and park where ever they please including on the sidewalk, and blocking crosswalks and also double parking.

anonymous

Posted on Tue, Mar 27 2007 at 02:51 PM

there are 18 guys who work in that firehouse. show me 18 spots designated for 18 firefighters where police and other city agencies don't abuse the area as well.

I've worked there on a detail from another firehouse and I can't park anywhere legally but a parking garage for $12.99 an hour. And if I work 24 hours, you add that up.

anonymous

Posted on Tue, Mar 27 2007 at 02:57 PM

Some options for how cops and fireman should get to work:
1) Drive and find a legal spot.
2) Drive and pay for a parking garage or lot like everyone else who elects to drive.
3) Take public transportation,
4) When public transportation is unavailable or more likely the case inconvenient, take a cab or car service.
5) Live closer to work.
Police and fireman are perfectly capable of making the same decisions that everyone else does with respect to lifestyle and financials tradeoffs of where to live and work. If they want a parking benefit their respective unions should demand it in negotiations.

To Anonymous: If you worked 24 hours I'm sure you racked up enough OT to pay the daily max rate a nearby parking garage.

Bryan1

Posted on Tue, Mar 27 2007 at 03:16 PM

Post #7 .............FF are FORCED to work 24hrs of straight time......not O/T get your facts correct......just another guy with an ax to grind

Bryan1

Posted on Tue, Mar 27 2007 at 03:27 PM

Also post #7 ..............FF and PD do have it in there contract that the city must supply them with parking.....And you also say live closer to work,From what i understand unless Mom Dad or uncle are a chief or so they go where the city tells them to work.............and for what they do for us and people like you the least they should do is be able to park......I Hope this site gets them free parking in a garage,then you will cry about that,or when the city takes over a ark or school yard and turns it into parking you will then cry about that

musha

Posted on Tue, Mar 27 2007 at 04:07 PM

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Sorry, if they are parked i/f/o a firehouse I don't have an issue with the parking

anyhow, 24 hrs straight is a tour change that results in less appearances... I wouldn't stress the O/T either if I could do that ;)

but the less appearances do not pay for parking... but the poster making the O/T comment knew that... and knew there was no O/T for you guys... but hey, stir the pot

#7 Police Officers are prohibited from working in the Precinct in which they reside. The city would have been hard pressed to have found a precinct further from my city residence then the one I was assigned to outside the academy... bus to the train, switch trains and then another bus... did it a few times after getting off at 2 am... then i saved my paltry rookie pay to buy a car

if i had gotten any of the pcts i had asked for back then my commute would have been 20 minutes by bus or train... but the city does not take that into account

musha

Posted on Tue, Mar 27 2007 at 11:38 PM

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my money says parts will be addressed... god only knows which parts tho...

anonymous

Posted on Wed, Mar 28 2007 at 03:22 PM

The city is obligated to provide street parking for the FFs on duty this is part of the contract. This block sucks, the rest of the block gets no enforcement so the FDNY gets squeezed and is forced to park like this.

I have worked here many times and it is very difficult to back the tower ladder into the firehouse due to Fedex (across the street) UPS and Fresh Direct, constantly being parked on the block.

The firefighters at least do not block the apparatus.

musha

Posted on Wed, Mar 28 2007 at 04:13 PM

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#13 I've always assumed FF's knew how to park near their house without interfering with operations... that is why I stated this whole thread is a non-issue...

anonymous

Posted on Wed, Mar 28 2007 at 09:14 PM

AGAIN I WILL POST...MAYOR WILL NOT ADDRESS THIS ISSUE...ALSO MANY CITY VEHICLES AND CITY TRUCKS PARK OUTSIDE THE 5 BOROUGHS IN ILLEGAL SPOTS...NOT ONE JURISDICTION HAS DONE ANYTHING TO THEM

anonymous

Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 at 12:03 PM

Post #7 replies. Yes I do have an axe to grind and it is with civil servants abusing their positions. Whether it manifests as abusing parking permits, using lights and sirens to get through traffic, using PBA cards to avoid traffic tickets, police officers violating traffic regulations on and . Rules are rules and everyone in society is expected to obey them.

And no I wasn't aware of the OT issue but longer shifts mean fewer days to have to pay for parking. The point was don't cry poor that you can't afford to pay for parking.

The issue is not whether the city is violating your contract by providing enough parking or whether the equipment can be moved safely. That is for your union to resolve. In a democracy there are ways of protesting, violating the rules is one way but be prepared to pay the fines and suffer the public outcry until you receive redress of your grievance.

And the issue certainly isn't whether public servants do enough for the rest of us. We live in a free society and public servants freely take the jobs and attendant inconviniences and risks for the compensation offered. Feel free to negotiate for higher and better wages and benefits and work rules.

Firehouse neighbor

Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 at 03:09 PM

As someone who lives near a firehouse and observes 365 days a year I can defend 90% of the firefighters who always find a legal spot to park their cars. But... its the 10% who think they are entitled, who pull up on the sidewalk even though there are legal spots available. Maybe they are too tired from their second career to walk too far. Maybe they are afraid that the neighbors will vandalize their Cadillac or BMW they bring to work. Lets see a copy of that union contract that says the city must provide free parking. I am sure the people who run this site can get that with Freedom of Information.

Bryan1

Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 at 03:19 PM

Post 17 post 20

What does second Jobs? Pba cards? lights and sirens? have to do with this website ......its crying over stuff like this that will just have people laugh at this site .....your sounding like the 10% you complain about and you sound a bit jealous

traktorist

Posted on Fri, Mar 30 2007 at 12:35 PM

To Post #21 - I think instead of laughing at this site the citizens of New York will start paying attention to these abuses. Do not forget that taxpayers pay the salaries of police, firefighters, etc. And in return we get laughed at? I think this attitude of yours (that also manifests itself in parking abuses) will have to become an election issue. We don't need public servants who disrespect the electorate and taxpayers.

Bryan1

Posted on Fri, Mar 30 2007 at 07:32 PM

Trak. Do the NYPD and NYFD pay taxes? If you have a problem paying these guys then dont pay taxes. And i see you wanted to respond to my post,but didnt want to answer my questions,rather you just spoke up about my opinion.......

again.......just another ax...........NO i am not NYPD or FDNY...

anonymous

Posted on Sun, Apr 01 2007 at 06:53 PM

Fire zone is for f irefighters parking thats why the signs are there for us to park at, you dont like it the move out of the city, and it is in our contract for the city to gives us and PD parking. also the reason guys park there cars half on the side walk is beacuse some retards in the city dont know how to drive and hit our cars

anonymous

Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2007 at 04:25 PM

This site should have been the day after 9-11. The way I see it is, anyone willing to go into a burning hell hole to rescue others should be able to park anywhere they want. And to those that say that you pay the salaries of City employees...guess what, they also have taxes coming out of their checks.
Maybe this site would have SOME credibility if it wasnt for the little jabs thrown in.

anonymous

Posted on Tue, May 15 2007 at 09:17 AM

This is nothing more than ignorant yuppies who have nothing more important to do than obsess about minor parking issues which are simply a fact of life when living in this city.

There are contractual agreements with the city that mandate parking for firemen at the firehouse. The fire zones near firehouses are specifically for two things.

Keeping the areas necessary for the rigs to pull out of quarters clear and parking for the members.

Sometimes due to temporary overcrowding or change of tours...members must park on a sidewalk temporarily until another member leaves quarters at which time (provided they aren't attending to other duties) they move it into one of the regular spots.

What a sad life some of you must lead that you can commit this much time to a non-issue such as this.

There are a million pressing issues that need to be looked at in this city...this certainly isn't one of them.

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