Sorry this is a resticted placard for the Bronx. This is in Manhattan, As far as teh 19th SEZ no one seems to know it's borders. I said around as this is over a bloclk away from the precinct. If the police are un fact to akk this parking they claim they are, it would be logical to calculate a fair numbert of spots and put up teh appropriate red signs for all to see rather than have them in ever parking meter, truck loading zone, no parking zone bus stip or fire hydrant.

This guy is not on official duty in the 19th he is parking his car near his apartment for free in a NO PARKING zone. What you call courtesy we call corruption.

There is a precinct in ever area, so by Blue horns logic cops can just park anywhere they please because they are in one precinct or another. Oroblem is that is the case and it stinks.

As I've explained before... the precinct on the restricted permit does not matter if it is in a SEZ... officers that transfer midyear are not issued new permits by the new command but are instructed to use their old permits.

Additionally, detectives frequently use their POV (personally owned vehicles) if they need to pick something up from another command... 2 cars for a squad of 18 or so often requires detectives to use their own vehicles for some of the basics. They shouldn't need to, but they do.

He's not claiming to BE the Chief of Detectives, but may be indicating that he works for the chief's office.

All that not withstanding, the permit is expired. He should have a new permit by now.

Why do you suppose if this is in thr up and up he felt the need for the PBA card??

I know BlueTrumpet, and you sir, are no BlueTrumpet ;)

Anyhow Blue, you are correct... that permit expires on dec 31, 2007

So it is a valid permit in a SEZ... there is no infraction

WoW, i find myself corrected by and agreeing with this version of BT... will wonders never cease ;)

you can judge by the color... and restricted permits expire at the end of the year, unrestricted expire on feb 1 i do believe

Perhaps the card is there to hide the expiration date and full permit number.

The problem you fail to understand that this parking zone prevents locakl residents from having a shot at local streey parking. It is a residential street and is abused by people like this, NYP and MD's. The NO PARKING signs are not serving any other purpose other than discriminating against the law abiding residents trying to live a life in the area in which they reside.

I find it curios that people like blue horn making this a trivial issue but the most important thing in life for the scoff laws. If it is so trivial why dost thous protest so much?

Moderator? me? hell no... heh

Musha, I copy and paste from this site "Is it Legal"

NYPD Restricted (Self Enforcement Zone) Permits

Each NYPD precinct and division (e.g. Gang Unit, Transit Bureaus, Narcotics, etc) has the authority to obtain Restricted (aka Self Enforcement Zone) Permits, which are usually un-laminated and colored bright blue, pastel peach, or beige. The precinct or division name is at the bottom of the permit. These permits are only valid when used on the block faces immediately adjacent to the precinct or the division headquarters, and only in the parking spaces on the street (thus, painting parking spaces on sidewalks or in bus stops is illegal). If the permit is used anywhere outside the Self-Enforcement Zone, for example, an officer from the 84 th Precinct in Brooklyn uses his permit anywhere but in the 84 th Precinct Self Enforcement Zone, then it is illegal.

The Bronx is not Manhattan. Check a map.

I'm telling you that in practice new permits are not issued upon transfer... you are instructed to continue using you old permit upon arrival in your new SH... happened twice to me... you will find it in every precinct especially after promotions... never having read the actual permit rules (and i doubt 99% of my dept has) you can only go by what the higher ranking supervisor instructs you to do.

Actually, due to the wackyness of rivers changing course over the years, parts of manhattan are in the bronx, and parts of the bronx are in manhattan... see a good map ;)

Musha (who is not a moderator, but is a moderating influence without being a moderate) raises a good point -- when someone's in an SEZ, even with a permit from another place, you can't really put the "blame" on the individual unless you have rather more facts that are available from a picture.

This is one of many reasons why posters should avoid hysterical invective. The rules are complicated, the tradition is longstanding, and even the commanders are likely confused.

That said, this sort of thing is reasonable to follow up on -- without making wild accusations, and pointing out the ambiguity of the situation. If he's really working locally, no harm no foul. If not -- if he has no business using the permit in the 19th -- then he's facing a situation somewhat more serious than a mere parking ticket (permit misuse is a form of misconduct). But we're simply not equipped, nor should we try to be equipped, to determine why people are parked in particular places. That's the job of their supervisors and/or investigative units of their agency.

No ambiguity here, this scoff law has been parking here for a very long time. He is no way on official duty.

The residents of this area due to the amount of restricted parking spaces pay something like $550.00 a month for a garage. Don't you think residenst are entitled to a fair shot at curbside parking where they live?

first off bronx/manhattan. Marble hill is no longer part of the ISLAND of manhattan IS still politically manhattan (via harlem river routing and canals). who would want to be a part of the bronx anyway!

to add to the 68th st. debacle it IS also a bus route (no66) that is continually backed up. if the streets had less parking, maybe less congestion. always seems unfair ..100 people on a bus held up by some double-parker..when are the cameras coming on the bus.. or barring that enforcement of "don't block the box." I ask you men (or women) in blue...anyone EVER get a ticket for that? i would trade all the illegal parking for clearer streets (active enforcement of double parks, boxblockers).

Just-Us,
Chief of Transportation would also trade in for more double parking tickets. He affirms such at nearly every Traffic Stat meeting every week. Problem is, with a saturated curb--whether the permits are PD, MD, or completely fake (see previous Escalade post from this street http://nyc.uncivilservants.org/post/index/813)--double parking problem starts at the curb.

The argument coming from BlueTrumpet that parking is not important (which we hear often on this site) seems at best disingenuous. With the next breath we often hear that parking is a contractually established right for PD and FDNY. If parking were not an important issue, I doubt the unions would have spent so much time and money on lawyers to negotiate some kind of parking clause into the contracts (the details of this will be clear for all to see shortly).

Also, if it weren't important, this site would not be getting so much traffic (a ton of that traffic comes directly from the NYPD Rant IP address). In a city as dense as NYC, parking is one of the preeminent concerns of all involved, car owners (46% of NYC pop.) and non car owners (54%) alike. There's a novel all about parking (Tepper Isn't Going Out-Calvin Trillin), there are countless cartoons in New Yorker, NY Observer, etc., and more than two really funny scenes on Seinfeld all about finding that elusive space.

The issue raises everyone's blood pressure, and it is a significant factor in the traffic that we see on our streets. There is so much "cruising" for that elusive parking space (15-45% of all traffic in different parts of the city), that we'd do well to figure this mess out, and soon.

And Blue, make fun of this poster's screen name one more time and you're off this site.

This kind of thing is a clear violation of positiion and the public trust.
This violation of the public trust is on the offender and those assigned to do the enforcement and ultimatelty with the mayor.

Just us, you have a right to expect the bus to have free passage and the local residenst have a right to curbside parking in their neigborhood. Unfortunately the M66 bus passes through several restricted parkinga areas that are abused. The worst area is near Hunter college at east 68th between park and lexinton aveneues however as you pass the park east synogogue between lexington and Third you go though an area with 7 cars with scraps of paper on their dash boards in a NO PARKING zone. There is so much abused resticted parking the residenst cannot park in their own zip codes.

I donlt think it is fair for local residenst to have to give up theo cars of park in expenseive garages to provoide free reserved street parking for scofflaws such as FOX 5 employeees or a cop abusing his placard.

The idea that the size and limits of the self-enforcement zone must be secret is ludicrous. The "criminals and terrorists" don't need to know the zone to find cop cars; all they would have to do is walk around looking for placards. The only reason to keep it a secret is to avoid responsibility for police parking.

Not the first time, though, that I've been told that government information must be kept secret for "security reasons," and that we have to put our blind trust in authoritarians who mock and gloat at the general public.

#36,
Amen.......brother. Amen.

Just for the record I just checked and he is still on that official business, The car has not moved.

Watch the amazing Mr. Trumpet throw dirt all over NYPD's name!

EXTRA EXTRA! Mr. Trumpet admits that members of New York's Finest have attempted to deface the website of concerned civilians!

Although it won't hold up in court, it still makes you look like a choice word.

The website's still here. It's not going away. But then again, I guess neither are you. Keep wasting your energy on us, and we'll keep doing the same for you.

Or we could just kiss and make up. Mr. Trumpet. Would you like that?

The idea that terrorists are going to target personal vehicles, when NYPD vehicles are all over the city and clearly marked as such seemsa little far fetched??

wow... seems like blue is stirring the waters again

those that allow an agitator to actually agitate them are playing into the game.

there is no reason for this thread to have 44 (now 45) responses... there is very little issue here

but hey, the internet is worse then beer muscles... and some people like to get a rise out of others... when you feed the pigeons don't take offense when they crap on ya ;)

Musha (who is not a moderator, but is a moderating influence without being a moderate)

#18 I believe the river was where it alway was. They just filled it in and built a canal for a more navigable route to the Hudson. But I only know of this instance. Are there others? Could Yankee Stadium be in manhattan also? yey.

Still there 24 hours later, must be conferring with Columbo on a very difficult caes.

I live in the building on the corner and this car has been parking in this spot or across the street in a Press parking area for over a year. It is Saturday and I just observed the car still in the same place as shown in the photo. I tried to figure outthe expiration date but he has that card strategically pinned over the date and I suspsect because the placard is expired. I pay over $500.00 a month to park in a garage and this is just something that needs to be corrected.

#49 Permit expires at the end of the year... same with all restriced nypd permits... so the permit is valid

That may be the case but the need he feels to cover the date with the card and the idea that for some strange reason he needs everyone to see the chief of detectives thing just makes the fishy smell stronger. The car is still there.

Point taken... i can only vouch for the validity of the permit, not the parking itself

What I cab tell you is this was reported on Thursday and as of Sat 2Pm the car is still in the same spot. I think even Dr. Watson could deduce that something fishy is afoot.

52. Musha. your moderating input is welcome. Permit may look valid but is it legit? It is not unheard of to make copies or forgeries or even give a permit away to a friend? Why use the PBA card to cover up. (unless that too is a gift or forgery--in fact wasn't there a guy in Long Island a coupla years ago who was selling phoney cards for "donations." to some phoney police org.?

This ruins it for those who need/deserve permits. I still like the idea of limiting permits by station house by shift. Second are permits really a part of the union contract? If so, would you be will to swap higher pay rises for no permits? Are they taxable income?

also, as I said before, it is great that crime has decreased (for many reasons..include police initiatives), and that we have this relatively small issues to fight over and not others.

N. 45. re: Marble hill (part of Manhattan but not the island). The river was filled in, it used to run north, the area was briefly an island when the harlem canal was made (and then the river was filled in. there were other occasions of similar geographic changes, landfill and river changes (e.g. all the manhat. waterbodies are now man-made, canal st. used to be canal, broad st. etc.)

all this on a NY public school education.

without seeing the permit first hand i can't say much about it's certain validity... i will say it looks legit... can't see the raised seal to qualify that further

it is a chief of detectives pba card... which is somewhat of an oxymoron...

Public Service Announcement: If someone calls you to raise money for any kind of police organization, it is probably (almost definitely) a scam). Call NYPD's IAB... their impersonations unit investigates this. None of the NYPD's unions solicit via phone calls.

Don't know how feasible limiting permits by shift would be... details (parades, street fairs, festivals, new years eve, strike details, etc) require extra officers to report to their commands and then travel by van to the detail... so staffing changes way too often.

During a state of emergency (9-11, blackouts, etc) everyone starts working 12+ hr days with no days off... those without permits would be unduly penalized.

Also, how do you decide who gets a permit and who doesn't becomes another contract issue...

We can't live in the precinct we work in and few can actually have any influence over where they work... the job is not friendly to those that desire to use mass transit. I would love to see precinct assignments made based on the ability to use mass transit to get to your job, but for a work force of 37,000 (not counting civilians, TEA, School Safety) it probably isn't feasible.

The size of the dept is a true hindrance in this case.

BTW, any cop fool enough to copy his permit deserves what he gets... it is a crime to do so... states it on the front of the permit, just in case we have a few slow learners on the job ;)

Musha, don't you think any violations issued during a state of emergency would be thrown out? Would traffic enforcement even bother to ticket vehicles during a state of emergency?

I'm sure the NYPD could even work out a system where under a declared state of emergency, officers could stick a piece of paper with their name and precinct number under their dash, like "Rodriguez T-301" here:

http://nyc.uncivilservants.org/post/index/1008

And traffic enforcement officers would simply call in the information to check. That'd definitely be preferable to the current "anything goes" state of affairs.

Who'se gonna give every traffic agent a phone to call in these parkers?

After 9-11 I worked 14+ hrs days 7 days a week for over 4 months... TEAs were back to writing tickets by 9-13

Throwing out tickets costs the city money... it isn't just the loss of income from what the violation would be, but there is an actual cost to processing and voiding a summons.

The solution is to correct the misuse of the permits, not the elimination of them.

Muscha. He was finally ticketed!

Miracles do happen if you are persistent.

http://nyc.uncivilservants.org/post/index/1057